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    LE No5 Mk1 stock questions

    Hello All, I have just acquired a correct No5 Mk1 jungle carbine and I have some questions about the butt stock. The stock appears to be the correct stock with the correct contours and correct end cap with a well worn rubber pad but there is also a bottom sling attachment that appears to be factory. Has anyone encountered a No5 with a bottom sling attachment on the butt stock? Also, on the bolt handle side of the butt stock is what appears to be a flag of sorts. It is a Red, Gold and Green square. Can anyone Identify this? Thanks for any and all help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm31859 View Post
    Hello All, I have just acquired a correct No5 Mk1 jungle carbine and I have some questions about the butt stock. The stock appears to be the correct stock with the correct contours and correct end cap with a well worn rubber pad but there is also a bottom sling attachment that appears to be factory. Has anyone encountered a No5 with a bottom sling attachment on the butt stock? Also, on the bolt handle side of the butt stock is what appears to be a flag of sorts. It is a Red, Gold and Green square. Can anyone Identify this? Thanks for any and all help.

    Pictures would assist in diagnosis.

    Many of the African countries use a combination of those colours in different order and orientation.

    You will note that Ethiopia has these colours - did it come from the RTI 'Goat-Turd' cache by any chance ?

    A few examples :
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    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    The barrel is marked I.O. Inc, Melbourne Fl. When I went to their website, it referred me to RTI for sales so it may very well be part of that but I'm not sure. My rifle came from Classic Firearms in Monroe NC.

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    I have added a photo to my photo gallery but I don't know how to attach it to this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm31859 View Post
    The barrel is marked I.O. Inc, Melbourne Fl. When I went to their website, it referred me to RTI for sales so it may very well be part of that but I'm not sure. My rifle came from Classic Firearms in Monroe NC.


    Yup - its one of these well cared for No5s (does the bolt number match the action ?)
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    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Unfortunately, the bolt is from a No4. I have been in contact with Classic about obtaining a replacement bolt. The numbers may not match but at least it would be the correct bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm31859 View Post
    Unfortunately, the bolt is from a No4. I have been in contact with Classic about obtaining a replacement bolt. The numbers may not match but at least it would be the correct bolt.
    It would be the correct type, but it would still need to be checked for fitment, and probably fettled to fit correctly. That's why matching numbers are so important on Enfields, the bolts are not swappable like Mausers and other types. They were individually hand fettled to bit the action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm31859 View Post
    Hello All, I have just acquired a correct No5 Mk1 jungle carbine and I have some questions about the butt stock. The stock appears to be the correct stock with the correct contours and correct end cap with a well worn rubber pad but there is also a bottom sling attachment that appears to be factory.
    Won't be factory, well not factory as in Fazakerley or BSA Shirley were the No.5 were originally made.

    Will be post war, post Britishicon service mod by whatever army or Police service it ended up with in the 50's or 60's.
    Just the thing for putting round holes in square heads.

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    Concerning the butt swivel machined out recess, IIRC Peter L mentioned some time ago that some contract woodwork manufactured for foreign governments was produced by modifying existing No4 butts. The oval recess was simply filled with a wood patch. It's possible that the patch may have simply fallen out over time.

    Please beware of just shoving a replacement bolt into a LE. It may cycle but unless various parameters have been checked by someone who knows what they are doing, it hasn't been FITTED. It isn't only a question of headspace, but also of proper fit of the locking lugs in the locking lug recesses...........plus correct positioning of the front face of the cocking piece against the sear.........you get the picture. If in doubt I would get the advice of a smith.

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    I removed the bolt and the number appears to be PF 262914. I just wonder if this bolt was properly fitted when someone used it to replace the original bolt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rm31859 View Post
    I removed the bolt and the number appears to be PF 262914. I just wonder if this bolt was properly fitted when someone used it to replace the original bolt.

    If it was properly FITTED, then the numbers would have been scrubbed and the 'matching' number added to show that the bolt now 'belonged' to that body.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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