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    Yet another faked No4 sniper

    It just doesn't stop. One more mangled No4 poorly fitted with repro pads and mount. Scope is legit. Looks like he went crazy with the Star of David stamp.

    And the "history lesson" in the description is laughable.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/957311871

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    A Collector's View - The SMLE Short Magazine Lee Enfield 1903-1989. It is 300 8.5x11 inch pages with 1,000+ photo’s, most in color, and each book is serial-numbered.  Covering the SMLE from 1903 to the end of production in India in 1989 it looks at how each model differs and manufacturer differences from a collecting point of view along with the major accessories that could be attached to the rifle. For the record this is not a moneymaker, I hope just to break even, eventually, at $80/book plus shipping.  In the USA shipping is $5.00 for media mail.  I will accept PayPal, Zelle, MO and good old checks (and cash if you want to stop by for a tour!).  CLICK BANNER to send me a PM for International pricing and shipping. Manufacturer of various vintage rifle scopes for the 1903 such as our M73G4 (reproduction of the Weaver 330C) and Malcolm 8X Gen II (Unertl reproduction). Several of our scopes are used in the CMP Vintage Sniper competition on top of 1903 rifles. Brian Dick ... BDL Ltd. - Specializing in British and Commonwealth weapons Chuck in Denver ... Buy-Sell-Trade .. Guns, Cars Motorcycles Your source for the finest in High Power Competition Gear. Here at T-bones Shipwrighting we specialise in vintage service rifle: re-barrelling, bedding, repairs, modifications and accurizing. We also provide importation services for firearms, parts and weapons, for both private or commercial businesses.
     

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    Unfortunately he seems to sell all these fakes for around five or $6,000. What should they go for if he were to present them correctly? Is he turning $1,000 gun into a $6,000 gun?
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    I always try to go with the sum of the parts. Had that rifle been set up by a reputable gunsmith, with an honest description, someone wanting a T but unable to afford one might be tempted to pay $1200. There is nothing wrong with that; to have a representative piece one can use as a daily shooter or re-enactor piece. Since that rifle has a scope modified during Israeli service, it might bring an additional $1500 (on top of the other parts/rifle cost).
    So, the parts list:
    Rifle-$450 to $800
    Reproduction scope & mount-$500
    Repro pads- $50 to $150

    So a ballpark might be $1000 to $1450.

    But since the rifle has had extra markings added, questionable gunsmithing, and made-up backstories, I wouldn't look twice at these abominations. Having been burned by the No5 CYP/NIC carbines back in the 90's, it hurt getting taken in by the story and BS. I hate seeing sellers like this; this is immoral and fraudulent.

    Sellers like this ruin the value of legitimate rifles residing in collections, and sour a buyers experience with perhaps an initial foray into the milsurp world.

    Sorry for the rant...
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    He apparently offers Japaneseicon, and Enfield put together snipers. Buyer beware. Lack of honesty in the collecting world just seems to get worse over time. Maybe it's just my awareness is growing...

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    Personally I don't see anything "crude" about the scope, in fact the design of the turret and drums looks both stronger and simpler to manufacture and maintain.
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    Well there is only so much one can do without giving to much of the game away allowing this cretin to make even better fakers yes there is plenty on the web but there is also allot of stuff that is not on the web that a trained armourer or history buff can spot a faker.
    Pretty soon he will have one that Buzz Aldrin took to the moon to combat the Vogons that were going to take us over.
    We live in hope this bloke gets done for falsifying items for extra profit, buyer beware.........

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    I like dogs myself but the pictures of pets thing on ebay or gunbroker always gets me.

    "Oh the seller has a dog or cat? Let me pay three times the price because they must be an alright guy and would never fake anything!"

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    There aren't a lot of congenital liars about fortunately, but I knew one. He was a very pleasant and talented (old) gent, but he literally could not stop himself running off with the most fantastic stories. It was really a compulsion which he was on some level aware of as such. An interesting case in retrospect.
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    Telling far flung stories Surpmil of deeds done is not the same as blatantly trying to fleece some one of their money with a clearly faked rifle and B/S story about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    Telling far flung stories Surpmil of deeds done is not the same as blatantly trying to fleece some one of their money with a clearly faked rifle and B/S story about it.
    No fear, I can tell the difference alright.

    This geezer just reminded me of my old acquaintance. The gift of the gab was similar.
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