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Originally Posted by
Bob Womack
Nice collection!!!
Where do you reckon the cancellation stamp for the Arizona ended up? Did Hoga YT-146 have a stamp? She's the last ship afloat from Pearl Harbor.
Bob
+1 : USCGC Taney - Wikipedia
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Originally Posted by
Surpmil
Okay, okay, the last NAVY ship. 
Bob
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Originally Posted by
Sapper740
This is the extent to which the
Japanese
went to prepare for the Pearl Harbor attack:
Painstaking execution of detail in both the model and the operation combined with a peculiar blindness to the overall strategic imperatives. Adm. Yamato we know was probably not fully committed to the operation in his own mind and perhaps others as well, but having decided to embark on war the only logical step was to immediately attack and occupy the Hawaiian Islands, thereby driving the US fleet back to the mainland of North America.
The less significant oversight was failing to follow up and destroy the carriers at all costs regardless of losses involved.
And of course to entrust your fate to code machines when they had all read Herbert O. Yardley's "American Black Chamber" is another mystery! 
“There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”
Edward Bernays, 1928
Much changes, much remains the same.
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One of the biggest oversights was the fuel tanks at Pearl. Had they bombed the fuel oil and diesel tanks it would have effectively shut down the port and forced evacuation of the fleet to the West Coast. However, the Japanese were obsessed with knocking out the capital ships and the carriers and overlooked the tank farms.
Bob
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Given their lack of home supply and need to secure oil reserves that is a strange oversight indeed. Even if they had destroyed the tank farm, they would have had the difficult if not impossible task of blockading Pearl Harbour to prevent reconstruction or refueling direct from tankers brought into the harbour, and there would have been an all-out effort on both fronts presumably.
But then had they attacked only the "BCD" powers in S.E. Asia and not the USA, even FDR would have been very hard pressed to get America into the war, and they would have got the oil they needed from the then Dutch East Indies.
Last edited by Surpmil; 12-11-2024 at 11:16 PM.
“There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”
Edward Bernays, 1928
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The Brooklyn-class cruiser USS Phoenix (CL-46) was also present at Pearl that day. Sold to Argentina in 1951, and modernised several times, she remained in service as General Belgrano until 1982, when she was torpedoed and sunk by the British Conqueror in the South Atlantic, the only surface warship so far to be sunk by a SSN.
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A lot of nice information.
Nice Ship covers! I normally just buy and sell Ship covers but, have a personal collection of USS Constitution event covers of her East and West Coast trips 1931 - 1935.
Later 42rocker
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