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1943 Maltby No4 Mk1 T F.M.P. marked
Last edited by daver1984; 06-09-2009 at 10:01 PM.
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06-09-2009 09:45 PM
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"FMP" is thought to be Federated (States) Malay Police, but it is not 100% proven.
Malaysia is the source of large quantities of Enfields, both from Malay service and from former Commonwealth depot stocks that were disposed of locally.
I'd hazard a guess that a recent civilian owner has put those pads on the create a "4(T)". The rifle itself looks like a typical 1943 Maltby that has gone through a 1949 FTR (when UK refurbished most of its ex-WW2 rifles, but before they started converting them to Mk1/2, 1/3). Although some Maltbys did become early 4(T)s without all of the later "standard" 4(T) markings, I don't think any of them went through a standard factory FTR - 4(T)s were serviced separately within the depot system. I'd take a very close look to see if any of the 4(T) inspectors' marks are present....
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Daver1984. I agree entirely with Thunderbox. I have never seen a genuine Maltby 4T dated after 1941 (I guess there may be a few genuine 42 dated examples somewhere). The pads do not look sufficiently well fitted to be genuine. Apart from on Canadian set-up rifles you NEVER see gaps round the rear pad screws; on genuine rifles the countersinks are always too small for the screw heads & the screws are always 'faced off' to leave them flush with the surface of the pad. Additionally the rifle has a shelved receiver ledge rather than a radiused one. Again, only the LB conversions had this feature, with a consequent modification to the bottom of the rear pad (angled rather than radiused). Note the genuine 1941 conversions have the radiused receivers/pads. It's up to you, but I'd advise you proceed with caution......
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Need advice Dave.......... I'd say proceed with caution too! It's these minor differences that eventually made H&H select their rifles from ONE source only. And after 1941, it definately wasn't Maltby!
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Yes, you can see the rear pad has been butchered to make it fit the receiver; there's no indexing mark on the under side of the barrel; the front pad screws are wrong. FWIW I think the pads are probably genuine, but there's no way they went on to that receiver in 1943. I suspect the rear sight may also be genuine.....(IMHO).
ATB Happy (careful) Hunting!
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Dave,
Yes, you'll see 1943, 44 & 45 dated rifles, but they'll all be BSA manufacture (apart from the relatively few Long Branch conversions). The cheekpiece looks like it could be one of mine & the swivel is right.
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The number stamped at the stock wrist is the rifle's serial number, shouldn't this be where the scope's serial number is stamped?
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Thank You to harry mac For This Useful Post:
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Harry, Yes, you're quite right.
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