Ishapore stock wont fit

[Xmas_Asn]

I have a Long Branch No4 MK1 and I purchased a Ishapore stock and I can't get it to fit. First off the buttstock wont fit. Where it fits into the back of the receiver is too big. I think I can sand it down but I wanted to ask first. Next the forearm does not have a notch cut for the square piece of the reciever to fit into the stock...


Any help?

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[tbonesmith]

The butt is often too big and will need fitting, look at one of Peter Laidler's archived old posts here Index of Peter Laidler's on-line series of articles....... and look up the one on fitting the wood/forend/butt. If it won't fit the square bit on the receiver I assume you mean the lump where the mag cutoff used to hinge, then inlet the stock so it will fit, later model of No4 deleted this lump, but the wood can be very easily modified.

[Xmas_Asn]

Ok, looks like me and my dremel are off to work. Thanks guys.

[Alan de Enfield]

It could be that you have a No4 but the Ishapore woodwork is for a No1

You'll need serious modification to fit a No1 set to a No4

[Peter Laidler]

Put your dremel away too. This isn't a job for a dremil. It's a job for good quality sharp chisels that give perfect cuts with good clear edges. The butt will have to be fitted using a wood rasp taking a bit off at a time. Some butts are configured differently at the front end too

[Amatikulu]

I think Alan may just be right. You could have the wrong stock set!

[RobD]

I watched a good workman fitting a new butt to my No 4, and this is how he did it: he dusted the wood that goes into the socket with some talcum powder, and tapped it in gently; then wiggled it out. The high spots where the wood had rubbed against the socket were clearly shown as shiny area, and he filed these down a bit. Then he dusted with talc again, tapped in again, filed down a little, etc and repeated the process, maybe 12-15 times in all. Finally he left the butt to be about 1 mm or so clear of the back of the socket, so that after firing many rounds through it, I could take up the slack just by tightening the stockbolt. I understand you can use soot (candle flame) to do similar marking, but talc is a lot cleaner.

[Alan de Enfield]

I'm still feeling that you have a No1 stock set that you are trying to fit to a No4 - yes the Butt can be made to fit but unlikely the foreend will fit.

Here is a 3 year old post (on the old Jouster forum) by Peter Laidler.

BUTTS, fitting new or refitting old...
Posted By: Peter Laidler
Date: Wed 2 Jan 2008 9:52 am
The BUTT. On the face of it, it’s a simple enough job. Just unscrew the old and bash the new one on and screw it up. But that’s JUST what you might do ….., screw it up! If you have a look inside the but socket of the rifle, you’ll see that it is actually tapered and it’s tapered for a good reason. That being to keep the butt TIGHT. All new butts are slightly oversize at the butt socket and what we do is to fit the front end into the butt socket and tap the rear end of the butt, where the heel and toe butt plate screw holes are, with a rawhide mallet so that you start to see witness marks from the rifle butt socket. Then with a rasp or coarse file, rasp away GENTLY until the butt starts to fit into the taper of the butt socket. Keep doing this and you’ll visibly see it going further into the butt socket. Ideally (but certainly on a grenade launching EY rifle), with a last tap of the rawhide mallet the butt should bottom out into the underside of the socket. It should be horizontal to the rifle.

Now for the important bit. The wooden shoulder of the butt, the part that sits proud of the butt socket, MUST be clear of the butt socket and there should be a gap of about 2mm between that edge and the actual butt socket. Have you got that? There MUST be a gap of about 2mm between the steel butt socket and the butt. If there isn’t a gap, then you can be sure that a sliver of wood WILL break away. The butt MUST be tight in the socket and in an ideal world, according to the REME Armourers bible, the wood of the butt MUST (but in civilian circles, should) be proud of the socket by approx 1/16” and the edges should be crisp and sharp. Now, remove the butt and slap on a xxxxing good coating of XG279 or automotive high melting point grease. Some of you will by now have noticed that there are TWO shapes inside top surface, inside the No4 rifle butt socket. The OLD ex SMLE shape with a rounded step on the right and a tapered step on the left and the post 1942 (?, but that’s what we called them …..) shape of two rounded steps.
Officially, and according to our EMER’s, you CAN fit a double rounded stepped butt to a single round/taper step body after adjusting the wood accordingly. But you CANNOT fit a single rounded/taper step butt to a double rounded butt socket. This is because, try as you might, you’ll never truly get it tight ….., or if you do, it won’t last!
That’s the OFFICIAL party line. But if you think that any old, wise and weary old Armourer Sergeant would allow you to wait until a stock of double rounded butts arrived, from stores in England to Korea or Aden or Malaya or wherever you were, you’re WRONG. It was quite common practice to simply dovetail, glue, patch, peg and make off the butts to get to the type you need. Simple isn’t it.
How tight do I tighten the stock bolt? I cannot find a specific torque figure but if I said to you xxxxing tight would be about right, then we won’t fall out but don’t forget to put the double coil spring washer in first followed by the stock bolt covered in the same grease. I nearly forgot. Before you put the stock bolt into the butt, with your long ‘BIT, screwdriver, stock bolt', check that there is a metal washer inside the butt. You’ll easily tell by the metal to metal sound. If there’s NOT, then PUT ONE IN. And DO NOT, DO NOT tighten the stock bolt up with the fore-end fitted because if the stock bolt does protrude into the body, then you WILL bugger up the rear of the fore-end and rest assured, a cock-up like that will ensure that you will be buying the tea’s and buns at tomorrows tea break.

[Xmas_Asn]

This is not a No 1 stock. I own a No.1. The No1 stock has a place where Rear Sight Protector is attached to the stock. This doesnt have that. Im very sure its a No4 stock. Maybe like said before this was a later No4 stock for my early 44 No.4