T3 with Non infrared scope? Fact or fiction?

[jdmcomp]

The question many have wanted to ask but were afraid to for fear of being called a newby.

So, there are claims that a small number of Carbines were built and fitted with sniper scopes as used on the 1903a4 and Garand (M73 and M82). The number quoted most often is 811. The story is that they were issued to Marines in the S Pacific theater.

The question is, is this fact or fiction? Which ever side you fall on, please try to provide support for you opinion. And be kind, I did search the forum and found little.

Also, could a standard M3 scope mount accept the Redfield rings of these scopes, and thus field conversions (which, from my service experience, is quite likely).

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[firstflabn]

"So, there are claims...

Which ever side you fall on, please try to provide support for you opinion..."

Provide some for your assertion first. Otherwise, it's a waste of time.

[jdmcomp]

Yep, there is one in ever crowd. I am not making the claim, I merely posit the claim.

[painter777]

.... a M1 carbine with a scope and mounts that wouldn't interfere with ejecting spent brass.

Inland M1E7 Light Weight Sniper Carbine
Weaver model 330B
Inland plant, June 1943
Inland # XA76 started the 6,000 rd endurance test at Aberdeen August 2, 1943


P.S. T3 with NON Infrared scope............ FICTION

CH-P777

[firstflabn]

Yep, there is one in ever crowd. I am not making the claim, I merely posit the claim.

Please try to stay on the subject. Your snide remark directed at me personally is inappropriate.

Why didn't you ask the "source" of the claim for the evidence you now want? Provide info to get info.

[Gil Boyd]

So I can calm things down, the M3 did in fact have such equipment fitted during the Korean War used by Australian troops and during WW2. The forerunner for the Starlight scope presumably!
Fight at Night: U.S Army Night Vision 1945-1980

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Come on guys, let's play nice.

[Bruce McAskill]

As Charlie said the M1E7 was an experimental scoped carbine using a Weaver 330 commercial scope. In a nut shell the mount was very stable but the scope took a beating. By a little less then 3000 rounds the scope was destroyed internally from the forces of the brass hitting the scope. The mount went on to be used in the T3 night vision system. But the scoped M1E7 carbine was never adopted in any form.

[browningautorifle]

the scope was destroyed internally from the forces of the brass hitting the scope.

I'm surprised they didn't use a shell deflector like the idea of the blank case deflector for the M14...

[fjruple]

Folks--

I can speak for the M3 mount which is more of a Korean War weapon. The M3 mount will take the Redfield Junior rings for the M73, M82 and M84 scopes. The M3 mount will along take the commercial 1 inch Redfield and Leupold rings. The scopes are protected for ejected cases by the mount itself which directly under the scope. I have not seen any information that the M3 scope mounts were used with these scopes or commercial scopes. I can imagine that some enterprising GI putting one together. I don't think it would be practical since each time you removed the Infrared scope and regular scope they would have to be re-zeroed. Additionally, I believe the earlier Infrared scopes and their accessories were classified pieces of equipment and treated as such. The M3 Infrared Scope while not classified was a sensitive piece of equipment which included the scope mount. The scope mount would have not been generally available to the average Joe as it was a part of the M3 equipment package. The M3 scope mount does fit commercial Redfield bases as I had a Redfield Widefield 1 3/4 to 5 power zoom scope with a cross hair and post reticle on a carbine for many years. I had the Infrared scope as well.

--fjruple