T3 with Non infrared scope? Fact or fiction?

[jdmcomp]

Yep, there is one in ever crowd. I am not making the claim, I merely posit the claim.

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[firstflabn]

Yep, there is one in ever crowd. I am not making the claim, I merely posit the claim.

Please try to stay on the subject. Your snide remark directed at me personally is inappropriate.

Why didn't you ask the "source" of the claim for the evidence you now want? Provide info to get info.

[Gil Boyd]

So I can calm things down, the M3 did in fact have such equipment fitted during the Korean War used by Australian troops and during WW2. The forerunner for the Starlight scope presumably!
Fight at Night: U.S Army Night Vision 1945-1980

[jdmcomp]

My apology, it was said in jest and nothing more. And i did explain that I do not have skin in the game, just looking for facts/sources. After all if I had a source then there is nothing to discuss.

[firstflabn]

My apology, it was said in jest and nothing more. And i did explain that I do not have skin in the game, just looking for facts/sources. After all if I had a source then there is nothing to discuss.

We're good. I appreciate it. If we were face to face, the identical statements accompanied by a wry smile or a wink wouldn't even be noticed. This kite string and paper cup communication method has its limitations.

I'm still in the dark on what you base your theory on, so I have to cover all the weak points.

First, it's pretty safe to say the batch of 811 T3s did not go to the South Pacific (with or without conventional optics) - unless it was for storage. The SPA had been officially redesignated a supply zone 5-10 months before these 811 were produced. Not much call for a new toy in a quiet area. If your sources suggest they did, I would have qualms about relying on any other claims from the same source.

Second, why do I think the 811 T3s didn't go to the SPA during WWII under any scenario, regardless of how unlikely? Because they went somewhere else. I have a 31 Aug 45 Ordnance report showing that during the first 6 months of 1945, 809 T3s were sent to the Corps of Engineers (presumably for Sniperscope electronics installation) and the other 2 went somewhere in the Zone of the Interior (likely either for testing, or maybe photographing for FMs, PR, etc.)

I don't think anyone would posit that the Engineers were authorized to install conventional scopes on any Ordnance equipment. Had the 809 T3s somehow gone to the Engineers, then a change of plan occurred and they were sent back to Ordnance for conventional scope installation, that transfer would show up on this report. No such indication occurs.

My guess is these 809 sat around stateside with the Engineers waiting for the M2 Sniperscope electronics design to be approved and the equipment manufactured - and then the war ended. I would refer you to CCNL 368 for details on the ones that got used on Okinawa. No evidence has been presented on use in the Philippines other than the 50 sent to the SW Pacific Area for training sometime around late Sept 44. These are clearly not from the 811.

What happened after V-E Day is outside my research interest, so I'll leave that to others.