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    Hi Simon,
    I have a rifle, possibly an Envoy that is unmarked. It is .308, has regulated by Fulton on the front of the receiver. It has the sold out of service broad arrows marked on it. On the left buttstock socket it has the serial #17179 and ftr stamped. The bolt head appears unmodified from a .303 and it retains the .303 magazine. Any info would be appreciated.
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    From the serial number I can tell you that your rifle is definitely not an Enforcer, Envoy or L39A1. It sounds like you rifle was built from a stripped No4 action into a target rifle by Fultons. Your best bet would be to contact Fultons directly as they may have record of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keith180 View Post
    Hi Simon,
    I have a rifle, possibly an Envoy that is unmarked. It is .308, has regulated by Fulton on the front of the receiver. It has the sold out of service broad arrows marked on it. On the left buttstock socket it has the serial #17179 and ftr stamped. The bolt head appears unmodified from a .303 and it retains the .303 magazine. Any info would be appreciated.
    Thanks

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    Nley My Number Is M47c M39566 Year 1944 Scope N°23687 Thaks For Your Answers I Live In Franceicon

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    Hello Simon,

    Back again to bother you with another information request, as this weekend I completed the quest to obtain the missing model of Enfield's "Fantastic Four".

    When you get a chance, could you please let me know what you may have on a 1970 L39A1 with serial number A778?

    Perhaps this question would be better posed on the forum, but, I was wondering, do you also know whether the L39 was usually fitted with a commercial sling in competition, or, if not, which military sling was used?

    Thanks again for providing us with this invaluable service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Hawker View Post
    Perhaps this question would be better posed on the forum, but, I was wondering, do you also know whether the L39 was usually fitted with a commercial sling in competition, or, if not, which military sling was used?

    Terry; it was the responsibility of the recieving unit to buy the rear sights (usually AJP 4/47 Twin Zero) and the front sight inserts, the front tunnel foresight came attached to the rifle with a bit of string!

    The target sling was also purchased by the unit; during the 1970's pictures of the period show mainly leather 1917 Patt (M17) slings and the wider 2" AJP webbing target pattern slings attached to the rifle on the upper sling swivel and the sling swivel forward of the magazine.
    The "single point" hadn't caught on in popularity at that time.

    I dare say the 1937 Patt sling was used at times, my unit used it in NI on L42 A1's, it's a long time ago but I think it was because the L42 sling was either not avaliable or because it was deemed as being too complicated to adjust.
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    Sorry Simon, a bit more on slings.

    Strangely,

    Thanks so much for your very informative reply.

    Please excuse my ignorance, but I am a bit confused with your reference to the leather 1917 Patt (M17) slings. This is a pattern I am unfamiliar with. The sling that comes closest to that terminology that I am aware of, is the U.S., WW I, Kerr "No-Buckl" web sling, or M1917, that was a supplemental sling to the more common, leather, M1907 sling.

    The sling you mention is leather, so it obviously can't be the Kerr M1917 web sling, but could we be possibly talking about the M1907, as that leather sling was also the same type as originally used on the No. 4 (T) and L42? According to the C.E.S. for the No. 4 (T) that sling is referred to as SLING, Leather, USAicon loop patt. Could that be it?

    Thanks for your help.

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    Terry,
    "SLING, Leather, USAicon loop patt" is what I actually meant; not being a 4T owner I didn't know what the correct nomenclature was!
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    Greetings Simon

    New L42 in the stable, will post pic's soon for the group to see, but her s/n is:

    V39378 rebuilt in 1970.

    Thanks again.

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    Lance,

    Rifle V39378 was part of batch number 6 which consisted of 10 rifles and was sent to store at Donnington on the 31st March 1971.

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    Greetings Simon

    New L42 in the stable, will post pic's soon for the group to see, but her s/n is:

    V39378 rebuilt in 1970.

    Thanks again.

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    Another L39 to match...

    Thanks for the effort. Here is another one from downunder...

    7.62mm L39 A.1.
    UE.70 A558.

    fanks,

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