Fake Garand Cartouche?

[scubatke]

Greetings and Happy New Year!

I was at a gun show recently and came across a Garand with the cartouche below. I'm a long way from knowing anything about anything and I wanted to get the opinion of some forum members as to whether this cartouche is legit or not. I will save my opinion so as not to throw any possible bias into the responses. Unfortunately, I didn't write down any information on the weapon this was on.

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I also have the same question regarding an M1 Carbine that I will post in that forum.
Link: Fake Cartouche?

Thanks!

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[Rick B]

The NFR is a good one but the Carbine is funny and fake. I try to stay away from Carbine verification's because they are so tainted with forgeries that many believe the fakes are real now. Rick B

[browningautorifle]

they are so tainted with forgeries that many believe the fakes are real now. Rick B

And there in lies our problem for the future...

[Badger]

And there in lies our problem for the future...

Agreed, but it's not a new problem....

It's been going on as long as I can remember and it's one of the reasons we established our research and Knowledge Library site in the first place, recruiting published authors, as well as experienced and expert (aged like good wine) collectors such as yourself.

We've actually given serious consideration to having a section of the library for authenticated pieces, where owners can submit their collectible for best effort authentication and validation by our Advisory Panel, which then may be helpful to them in any future sale of it, or at least give them a "peace of mind" provenance while they own it.

Regards,
Doug

ps: By the way Jim, thanks for you ongoing support in answering questions to the best of your ability and helping out both younger and less experienced collectors ....

[browningautorifle]

Jim, thanks for you ongoing support

My pleasure Boss... The reason I see this thing as a problem personally is I currently only have one collectable M1 and it's the 3XX XXX SA GHS LL...when I try to sell it in the far(I hope) future, no one will believe it's original...I fear. Even now some scoff...if I didn't know the history myself, I'd probably be the same...

[scubatke]

Thanks Rick. I've read some of your previous posts and I'm trying to see if I'm 'getting it'. I originally thought the the curve of the 'S' looked good and the crossbar of the 'A' did as well. What made me suspicious and take the pic was the extra gap between the 'N' and the 'R', as well as the crossbars on the 'F' being out of parallel. After looking at a couple of reference books when I got home I saw that both were supposed to be that way.

[Bob Seijas]

Rick is rightly concerned about telling why he says it's fake, that just give the fakers better info for their next generation. Each time he exposes a fake it makes that whole generation of fakes and their stamp obsolete. Nobody even tries to sell a "snoopy" anymore, all those stocks are firewood thanks to GCA Journal exposure. But some day somebody will make a perfect one.

[Patrick Chadwick]

Rick is rightly concerned about telling why he says it's fake, that just give the fakers better info for their next generation...

Wrong IMOH. The fakers know anyway, but rely on potential purchasers not knowing. Ignorance is not bliss, it is the prelude to expensive disappointment.

... Each time he exposes a fake it makes that whole generation of fakes and their stamp obsolete.

Right IMOH. Raising the threshold required to feed a fake into a knowledgeable market makes faking more difficult, hopefully to the point of not being worthwhile.

[Rick B]

Bob, the other issues is sometimes real ones hit the market and luckily I bought it before one of the forgers could get it. This came from an Armors family and was up on Ebay with a Make an offer tag on it. I was shaking and super nervous that someone else would get it while I was waiting for an answer. They accepted my offer of $150.00 while they had a buy it now for $250.00 It is off the streets and is 100% legit. Rick B

[Bob Seijas]

Yes, Rick, real ones do pop up once in a while, but I have never seen WWII. I believe the WARDOR stamps were real, and I bought a complete set of DAS at OGCA around 1980. Five square sizes, five round sizes, five rubber stamps of each type. Price was $125 and he had 2 1/2 sets. IIRC he said they came out of Rock Island.