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    M1903s on Range in WWI

    When I go to Antique Malls with my wife, I look for old stereoviews of the Spanish American War and WWI. Found one that was titled "Mess Time Out on the Rifle Range of a Southern Cantonment" that showed two stacks of M1903s, along with the soldiers eating chow.
    Upon closer inspection, I noticed that the M1903s all had Kerr Slings. Then I looked at the rifle stack on the left, and at the left most rifle, and saw the scope. I assume this is a Winchester A5, but someone might be more knowledgeable about what this is.

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    Neat picture. The soldier on the right looks like he is wearing a cheap reproduction of the Britishicon "tin hat", later adopted as the M1917.
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    I believe they may be Marines as the man in the center appears to have an EGA device on his campaign hat and he does not have a hat cord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick the Librarianicon View Post
    Neat picture. The soldier on the right looks like he is wearing a cheap reproduction of the Britishicon "tin hat", later adopted as the M1917.
    No. My grandfather was a mining engineer. It looks like a period hard hat. You'll see these on pictures of workers on WPA projects from the depression.

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    Here's a still of Charlie Chaplin in "Shoulder Arms", but not the one I wanted. Note Kragicon rifle and "helmet".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick the Librarianicon View Post
    Neat picture. The soldier on the right looks like he is wearing a cheap reproduction of the Britishicon "tin hat", later adopted as the M1917.
    The "soldier" on the right is no soldier at all. He's a Marine. And he's jokingly wearing the helmet of the real "soldier" on the far left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorin6 View Post
    When I go to Antique Malls with my wife, I look for old stereoviews of the Spanish American War and WWI. Found one that was titled "Mess Time Out on the Rifle Range of a Southern Cantonment" that showed two stacks of M1903s, along with the soldiers eating chow.
    Upon closer inspection, I noticed that the M1903s all had Kerr Slings. Then I looked at the rifle stack on the left, and at the left most rifle, and saw the scope. I assume this is a Winchester A5, but someone might be more knowledgeable about what this is.

    That is a picture of a group of Marines eating at a southern cantonment (temporary military quarters) of unknown location, although it is probably Franceicon (due to the steel helmets if for no other reason, as the Marines were issued their steel pots upon arrival in France). Also, the Marines had "Camps" versus Army "cantonments" (33 Army cantonments in USAicon in WWI). In France, the Marines trained at numerous "cantonments". The rifle on the left is a Niedner type sniper rifle. The rear scope mount is mounted on the receiver ring and the mount knobs are too large to be commercial #2's.The orginal photo shows a much larger group of Marines and a chow wagon in the background.

    The picture is part of the Keyston View Company Set of 1917 - 1918, picture #66 in the set of 100.

    Just my humble opinion. It is a very interesting photograph to me for numerous reasons.

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    I'm pretty familiar with the 1917, British, & French steel pots --

    that's not one.

    IIRC there were a number of firms that made various kinds of protective headgear for private sale to servicemen.

    That must be one of them. It's not a 1917 or a Britishicon as the dome is far too high.

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    Then he sold a lot of them

    Quote Originally Posted by Fredtheobviouspseudonym View Post
    that's not one.

    IIRC there were a number of firms that made various kinds of protective headgear for private sale to servicemen.

    That must be one of them. It's not a 1917 or a Britishicon as the dome is far too high.
    Note the number of those pots in the original picture. There is a lot of them.

    Now look at the previous picture of "Marines Through the Wheat". Note the Marine in the middle. He is wearing one of those odd pots with an AGE attached as are some of the other Marines.

    Col. Catlain made note of the fact that the Marines were issued their steel pots upon arrival in Franceicon.

    Only the Shadow knows, but there was obviously a variation of the 1917 helmet used by the Marines.

    Jim

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