Enforcer range and accuracy

[spinecracker]

I was doing my own research as best I could, but apart from 1 website (index.htm) that has not been updated for quite a long time and comments gleaned from this and other forums, there just isn't that much information out there. I have lots of questions, but I don't think the answers are out there any more. I know that at least 1 person is/was in the process of compiling information for a pamphlet regarding enforcers. Should I purchase an enforcer (and let's face it, they don't pop up on the market that often!), I would want to find out everything that I can about them, and maybe even add to the Knowledge Library here.

Another question (will I ever stop??) - does anyone have any idea where I could get instructions for the Pecar scope and the Parker Hale target sight? Perhaps the original manufacturers?

[bradtx]

spinecracker, Part of the information problem WRT the Enforcers is the very low production (an unknown number were also destroyed) and varied equippage put the rifle into a niche collector's catagory.

Brad

[spinecracker]

That is why I like them - there might be plenty of information out there, but it is working out where to dig that is the problem. I wonder if the lack of information is, in part, responsible for keeping the prices low in comparison with, say, No.4T's?

[PrinzEugen]

I think there are a number of reasons for the enforcers not being so highly priced: They're not military, have never seen 'war' action (and no recorded, so far as we can tell, instances of them being used in anger by the police), and they're very similar to l39s envoys etc which are comparatively cheaper (by half). And, I suppose, they're a product of a rather tight budget conscious decision making process and some of their components (eg scope attachments) are a reflection of that.
On the other side they're pretty rare, were at least 'in service' and are a darn nice rifle.
...and I'm looking for one so feel free to pm me if you're in the uk and want to sell (I think I wish I'd gone for that one Alan De Enfield bought which I had the chance of getting!)

[spinecracker]

Heck, I'm in the US, and I think they are like hen's teeth (or my other favorite - rocking horse poo) over here, or at least they don't come on the market that often

[Alan de Enfield]

Yes - I'm in the process of compiling information and documents with a view to writing a book(let) on the Enforcer - the enigmatic rifle with so little known about it, as has been said, this is probably due to only 767 made and 50%+ destroyed there are so few opportunities to study them, let alone own one or two (- except for thunderbox of course who has over 1% of the total production figure and 2% of those thought to survive)

Enforcers were issued in various states of 'completness' which seemed to depend on the budget the local Police authority had left, they were supplied with and without bipods, with and without PH sights and with and without scopes. From information gleaned from Police armourers it seems that when the 'next years' budget came in, that they may have been allowed to buy the 'extras', which is why some Enforcers end up with very strange brands of scopes.

I have received information back from several of the Police Authority Areas (under the Freedom of Information Act) confirming that their rifles were (due to force policy of not allowing civilians to get hold of firearms) guillotined. What a way to die. !!!

Pecar went out of business 18 months / 2 years ago but I heard they'd actually been 'rescued' by another German scope company (Schmidt & Bender ??)

The PH company is also 'long gone' but there is all sorts of info out there, not only documents on the web, but user experience. There is also a company in the UK I know that bought up all the dustbins full of PH sight parts (when PH closed down) they are getting a bit low now but they've never let me down yet.

As stated above, not all Enforcers were fitted with the rear sight ( and those that didnt have it fitted had the 'wrong' type of safety fitted so you couldnt fit the correct rear sight unless you could also find the correct safety. (Rocking Horse Poo again !!)) The correct rear sight is a PH5E/4

Picture shows the modified safety. A normal safety would 'foul' the sight mounting bracket and if the sight was mounted after the safety you could'nt put it into 'safe'. I found all this out when I built my clone and could'nt get 'safe'.

[Alan de Enfield]

They're not military, have never seen 'war' action (and no recorded, so far as we can tell, instances of them being used in anger by the police)............

1980 Iranian embassy siege. Enforcer in use. But we dont know if the trigger was pulled.

[spinecracker]

Alan De Enfield is my new bestest pal of all time

[Alan de Enfield]

Double Post - sorry !!!

[Alan de Enfield]

The Pecar "Museum" and data.

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Regards, Alan