No 4 Mk 1 T help

[Roger Payne]

Bob,
Thx. This only my humble opinion, but: i think the rifle itself is right. However, the triggerguard & bolt are Long Branch (Canadian) replacements. The bolt has had the original serial linished off & the 4637 stamped in its place to 'match' the rifle.
Also, someone has tried to achieve the same thing by allocating a serial number specifically to the mount......the 35whateveritis number on the mount is simply the serial number of the rifle that the scope & mount were originally mated to. As someone pointed out before a 41 rifle would have left the H&H factory with a Mk1 scope on it. The rifle has indeed been FTR'd but the scope/mount are simply a mismatch that someone has tried to legitimise.
It's a shame someone has tried to 'improve' what would have been an honest mismatch.

ATB

[Bob Collins]

Roger

Thank you for your input. I sort of thought it was strange to have a bayonet serial numbered to a sniper rifle. The friend who wants me to purchase the rifle just thinks he has a four of five thousand dollar rifle because he has seen some advertised for that amount. Although he is offering me a discounted price on the rifle, I do not want to fool with someting I do not know about. I generally discover it is a big mistake to venture into high price specality weapons without buying the books first. Collectors do not mind paying premium prices for quality but do not want to pay for items they have to make excuses for. I do not want to be stuck holding a "pig in a poke".

Thanks again,

Bob Collins

[jmoore]

Odd stuff that shows up even on this horrid monitor:

1. The FTR mark is like non I've ever seen. F.T.R. (?)
2. The scope tin label shows the bracket's old rifle S/N (Upon FTR the old S/N is generally lined through and the new rifle's S/N is added.)
3. Rifle S/N on wrist rather than the scope S/N. - Not unheard of, just not usual practice.
4. Weird serif'ed "TR". However, its an early rifle, some don't have anything...
5. Numbers stamped on the bracket "ring" top.
6. No "T" on the body side that I noticed. Even w/ an early rifle that didn't have it originally, upon FTR should have have it added. (Just a "SWAG" here.)
7. Odd looking front pad screws. These concern me more than anything, but again, this work station monitor is amazingly bad w/ photos!

ETA: Somehow missed the second page (posts #11 and 12) entirely before making this post. Not so velly smart sometimes!

[Hal O'Peridol]

I would like to see a photo of the front pad looking across the rifle action to the "back side" of the pad.

Just doesn't feel right.

[Surpmil]

The replacment bolt and guard and No3 bolt head suggest a rifle that was condemned for excessive wear in the body and stripped for disposal, then 'rebuilt' by someone. Never seen so many spurious stamps on one rifle. The chest marking "PFC Pasadena" is a bit of mystery to me. Putting the original number from the bracket on the spurious paper label in the No8 Case is a new twist; quite imaginative that!

[Enfield trader]

1941 ROFM No4T and it has what looks like the same type of TR marking as Bob's. Mine was also FTR's and it also does not have the T marking. I can post pics for comparison of markings if anyone would like.

[jmoore]

That would be grand, Enfield trader!

There's pics of my ROFM "T" elsewhere on this forum as well.

[Beerhunter]

The friend who wants me to purchase the rifle just thinks he has a four of five thousand dollar rifle because he has seen some advertised for that amount.

That rifle combo has been monkeyed about with too much for my taste at that price.

I would be inclined to tell your friend to go and get the four to five grand from someone else - with or without discount.

[Peter Laidler]

Wise words there Beery............ Better to have a genuine mismatch I feel. At least it can be optically matched and re-numbered PROPERLY as it would be after going through the Armourers shop. And who is to say that an average/good/proficient handyman couldn't do as good a job as an Armourer?

Wise words Beery................

]ncidentally Beery, I think the question of the enigmatic L59's is moving forwards

[jmoore]

A question regarding the scope bracket and caps (ring tops). How common is it to see the rifle S/N applied to the caps as well as the bracket proper?
I've never seen that done before.