Throat erosion of 6?

[Devil Dog]

I agree...the proof is in the "shooting", but I will have a hard time betting on a gun that swallows the muzzle gauge.
The original poster said he was looking for a "shooter" gun. If I were him, I would pass on any gun that swallows the gauge.

[GUTS]

I have to agree with DevilDog.....I have first-hand experience with a NM Garand barrel I once had...It had a throat erosion of an easy 9....But a muzzle of 1. This was off a "Club Gun", that was shot alot, but also well cared for.... Even with a 9 throat, it still shot a little over MOA. The other side of the coin is an old 1903 Springfield rifle I have with throat of 2 or 3...and a muzzle that also swallowed the guage.....probably a 5 or 6....That rifle had all it could do to hit a 9" pie plate at 100 yds.....

Not disputing the freebore theory, but all things being equal, I think muzzle wear is a much big factor in accuracy...in my experience...

I would like to have explained to me how it could be possible to wear a throat to a 9 and still have a 1 at the muzzle, I have trouble believing that.

[jmoore]

I would like to have explained to me how it could be possible to wear a throat to a 9 and still have a 1 at the muzzle, I have trouble believing that.

ONE way-not nec. the only way: Barrel recrown/ slight shortening to keep a "shooter" doing just that.

[218bee]

Thats what the readings where...on my Stone Axe guage...Actually, the Stone Axe guage I have only went to 8, and the barrel's throat went way past that...So it was a conservative 9......and yes, the muzzle was a 1, maybe 1.5 tops...I still have the target in my safe...

As I said, it came off a NM club gun (have the SRS/DCM papers for the rifle)..that was loaned out to a shooting team...I guess the team or range had good cleaning habits for the loaner guns, ...Could vary well have been recrowned, but you wouldn;t know it by looking at it..

I have since replaced the barrel, but thats a true story...

[Dave Waits]

Gus(Fisher) explained this to me once. He stated that a barrel with a high TE(Above 5) would initially hold black but, as the barrel heated up(usually about twenty rounds or so) accuracy would drop off as groups would start blowing up. He stated they would change out barrels on the Marine Corp Match-Rifles when the TE got to, I believe, 3 or so.

[colt100]

I have a garand that I have owned since I started collecting and shooting. It was a CMP service grade and I have shot it alot. I didn't have gages when I first ordered it but since it was service grade, it had to be less then 5. When I got the stone ax gage, the TE was a 6 and it is now a 7. I have had a hard time keeping all 8 shots on a piece of 8x11 paper at 100 yards. This rifle used to shoot very well and I had shot cloverleafs at 100 yards with it in the past. I just shot the barrel out to the point where it needs to be replaced. I have other garands to shoot so i'm not in any hurry to rebarrel it.

Unless you could get this garand for cheap or had a chance to shoot it before buying, I would surely pass. A friend of mine has a garand that has a TE of 7-8 IIRC and he says it is his best shooter. If you want a shooter garand, I would go with one from the CMP that has a new stock and barrel for around 1000 dollars. Remember that the stock plays a very big role in the accuracy of the rifle also.