WIN 13 Type 8 Safety ....... Do they really exist? What say you?

[StoneTemplePilot]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me. Some of his explainations and conclusions were drawn from observing a large grouping of Captain Crunch parts that were either later crunched or saved from the jaws for honor teams or their like. There was no complete rifle data from that particular source.

I asked Scott about 15 years ago if he or Mac had any data on round top safety usage in any pure Original or darn close to WRA rifle. Answer then was no and I'm stilling looking for a confirmed benchmark rifle.

Small pad housing theories..........we know WRA made them smaller later on in production, possibly for future use with a round top safety or SA directive on interchangibility. Question is, did they actually manufacture them, and then use them in later production rifles?

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[Bill Ricca]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me

He continued with several errors. One item shows a round hole lock screw, which he lists as experimental for GL. It was a manufactured screw circa 1960's for sale to South American armies and is without a vent. They would not use a non vented screw for launching Rifle Grenades. This was made up by a dealer/exporter because there were no huge quantities of lock screws available for export. I have one and know its origin.

I have the drawings, patent information, and the contractor for the experimental lock screw for the GL's. It is nothing like his picture.

His drawings are incredibly good in showing what an item is. The information about it can be totally off base.

If I recall one of the authors list a Revision 14 bolt for the Garand, yet nobody I know has ever seen one. I have asked several individuals who claim they exist, to post a picture. So far none have.

I want to confirm!

[Ramboueille]

Jesse did have some errors in his earlier book on the M1 that he sent to me. Some of his explainations and conclusions were drawn from observing a large grouping of Captain Crunch parts that were either later crunched or saved from the jaws for honor teams or their like. There was no complete rifle data from that particular source.

STP,

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Harrison determined a WRA round topped safety existed from a pile of loose, stripped random parts which were not seen in any complete rifles and publishes it, then Babcock swears to it and publishes the same?

God help us................

[StoneTemplePilot]

Hack..........Yes, A pile of parts pulled off rifles that were earmaked for the Captain. M1 research at its finest...ZIKES!

William J.......Been looking for that Rev 14 bolt too, but not as hard as my search for the CM marked WRA bolt. Seen Two in 25 years.....Bought zero. Had to buy the rifle on one and the other was owned by a rather wierd type who use to visit my table at Springfield Mass and show me his trinkets which I was never allowed to purchase. Then one day he just stopped coming to the shows and lost contact and never could document with a photo STP

[Rick Cummelin]

STP,

Let me see if I understand this correctly: Harrison determined a WRA round topped safety existed from a pile of loose, stripped random parts which were not seen in any complete rifles and publishes it, then Babcock swears to it and publishes the same?
God help us................

Not only that, but Jesse actually told me (in person at a Tulsa gun show years ago) that looking at some boxes of various, loose parts constituted just about all of his research before writing his book. Also interesting that some of the boxes of parts belonged to a neighbor who had been an Army officer in charge of a major armory that rebuilt M1s. Lots & lots of lockbar sights and uncut op rods in those boxes. I bought a bunch when they were up for sale.

As we all know, he never bothered to go back and fix the plethora of mistakes either. So sad that some folks tend to believe the written word, no matter what reality is.