VICTORY MODEL? 45 and R on barrel

[emmagee1917]

No , there was a short colt , kinda sorta. Back in the wild west days the army adopted a break open revolver called the Schofield which used a round that was basicly a 45LC , but shorter. Because of this , the army issued it in place of 45LC because the Colt SA would take both. It was slightly less powerful than the old 45 Colt , and some perfered to have the more powerful loading. Anyway , because of Schofield being a mouthful , and needing a way to tell the two apart , the terms short and long were used. Not correct or official , but done. The Schofield was soon dropped and preaty much faded into history , but the " Long" tag remained. This might have been helped to continue being used because of the later use of the M1909 45LC and the M1911 45ACP during the same time period and both being connected to Colt.
Oh , and as an aside , did you know the 45 Colt , aka 45 Long Colt , and the 45 M1909 round are not the same ? The M1909 had a rim larger in diam. to make sure it wouldn't slip under the extractor star.
Chris

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[Johnny Peppers]

No , there was a short colt , kinda sorta. Back in the wild west days the army adopted a break open revolver called the Schofield which used a round that was basicly a 45LC , but shorter. Because of this , the army issued it in place of 45LC because the Colt SA would take both. It was slightly less powerful than the old 45 Colt , and some perfered to have the more powerful loading. Anyway , because of Schofield being a mouthful , and needing a way to tell the two apart , the terms short and long were used. Not correct or official , but done. The Schofield was soon dropped and preaty much faded into history , but the " Long" tag remained. This might have been helped to continue being used because of the later use of the M1909 45LC and the M1911 45ACP during the same time period and both being connected to Colt.
Oh , and as an aside , did you know the 45 Colt , aka 45 Long Colt , and the 45 M1909 round are not the same ? The M1909 had a rim larger in diam. to make sure it wouldn't slip under the extractor star.
Chris

No. The S&W cylinder was too short for the .45 cartridge used in the Colt SAA, which was known as the "Colt's Revolver, Cal. 45" A new cartridge was developed that would fire in both the Colt and Smith & Wesson, and was designated "Revolver Ball Cartridge, Cal. .45". From that time on, only the shortened version was manufactured by the military. The shortened version was also commercially marketed as the .45 Smith & Wesson, but not .45 Short Colt.
The Model of 1909 cartridge has a larger diameter rim for more positive ejection from the Model 1909 Cylinder. Did I know the .45 Colt and Model 1909 Cartridge are not the same?