Wonky Enforcer engravings

[Thunderbox]

And returning to the original issue re the markings which have been called into question - do people think that the very late enforcer engravings may indeed have been a bit wonky? There have been quite a few posted on this forum, and as I mentioned in the op - even reproduced in reference books as examples.

Its not just the wonky engraving; most of the "wonky" Enforcers diverge in many of the minor detail features and marks found on undisputed early/low-number rifles. Wood markings, consistency between markings, finish on metal parts, positioning and alignment of front PF pad, forend fit, etc - small things add up when you compare the rifles side-by-side.

[Gnr527]

This whole Enforcer business is a puzzle.

The question of fakes in Enfields is in itself interesting but, with the large (genuine) production runs of most variants, resolving questions of fakery is often extremely difficult.

However, with the limited number of Enforcers (legit/illegit), and the fact that they are fairly recent, it ought to be easier to clarify a lot of the issues.

I suspect Peter considers Enforcers to be a form of lowlife of only passing interest but Mark Stevens has done a lot of research into them as has Alan de Enfield. Alan has mentioned producing a book on the subject -
Facts/suppositions on:-
Numbers ?
Assembled by ?
Destroyed and by ???
Supposedly destroyed but still in existence ??? - I think I have one
Sights ?
Scopes ?
Numbering ? with photos of types - to metal and wood
etc
etc

Comments Mark/Alan?

I imagine there might not be a better time or forum to help

John

[Peter Laidler]

Some, but not me you understand, have said that anything with that midlands connotation attached to it might be deemed to be a bit, er......., how do you say it in polite company......, er well, wonky - for want of a better word.

If anyone is going to write the whole story up someone at work could add a parts about the Police actual requirement at the time. And the need to keep the factory employed of course

[crocket]

Hi, I am new to this site and have Enforcer parts that have been in my stores for quite a few years. I believe some of these actions, barrels, wood work and other parts may (originally ) have come from Charnwood's ? These Enforcer parts were most probably going to be scrapped as they had little value. One of the actions originally from Longbranch and was labelled "not to be used". Some of the engravings are slightly off square and one has the "e" missing, so it reads "ENFORC R". A couple of the complete actions have matching numbered bolts and the X19T engraved on them, on the handle and bolt heads. I hope this info is of some use.

[PrinzEugen]

I'm sure we'd be interested to see pictures of said items crocket!

[Peter Laidler]

Enforcers and that 'midlands' connection. I just think that if anyone cleared out the old MG factory here in the 80's or so and was using the parts today to build MGB cars, then they'd be called, ........well, many things including stupid for building MGB's of all things! But whether the cars could be called genuine MGB's would be something else to ponder. The same with these Enforcers. I just have this feeling in my bones about the real factory jobs and those '...after market' look alikes that, well, er................ See what I mean

Think MGB GT V8's. The factory built 2,591. Outsiders used MGBGT bodies and built another few thousand.............Very nice, fast cruisers, bags of power, went like rocket sledges on rails but REAL MGB GT V8's................? Now think Non Enfield made Enforcers

[Alan de Enfield]

Hi, I am new to this site and have Enforcer parts that have been in my stores for quite a few years. I believe some of these actions, barrels, wood work and other parts may (originally ) have come from Charnwood's ? These Enforcer parts were most probably going to be scrapped as they had little value. One of the actions originally from Longbranch and was labelled "not to be used". Some of the engravings are slightly off square and one has the "e" missing, so it reads "ENFORC R". A couple of the complete actions have matching numbered bolts and the X19T engraved on them, on the handle and bolt heads. I hope this info is of some use.

Welcome Crocket - we have spoken many times re the Enforcer parts.
Did the Owner of the L39 you had on consignment ever decide on dropping the price to a Realistic level ? (If I remember it was the one marked 'CON' )

[crocket]

I thought this site was going to be a knowledge based thing, not a slanging match, over and out.

[Alan de Enfield]

I thought this site was going to be a knowledge based thing, not a slanging match, over and out.

You have provided me with some useful Enforcer information in the past - dont be too hasty in departing the forum as I'm sure there is more you can tell us as you 'clear out the back room' or Enforcer 'oddities'.

If I remember correctly this was your Longbranch Enforcer action ???

[Peter Laidler]

THat was a bit harsh to all who have written on this thread Crockett........... Who has 'slagged' anyone off or am I in all my innocence, missing something? It IS a knowledge base as well as a discussion forum. The word FORUM should give it away. Fed up after two posts..........

Can anyone out there see what or who's upset anyone on this thread? Where's mild mannered diplomat Ed Horton when you need him