1871/84 Mauser

[Patrick Chadwick]

Patrick Villiers is, of course, quite right (Patricks are always right, OK?).

I understand the unwillingness of the present owner to let it out of his hands for inspection. These rifles often lack one or more of the internal parts, such as the magazine spring, the cap on the end of the spring that stops the spring expanding forwards in to the loading mechanism when there is no cartridge left, and the odd lever thingy that separates the cartridges when loading, so that the system does not try to load 2 cartridges. I would not want to lend out a rifle with the risk of having it returned with one of these parts missing or replaced by an inferior example! But for this very reason, you must inspect the rifle thoroughly before purchase.

So a fair way of satisfying the interests of both parties is as follows:

You arrange to meet the seller, taking with you a proper set of screwdrivers that will not ruin the screw slots, plus cleaning rod, patches etc. - and an appropriate amount of cash.
You agree on "This is the price I will pay you, cash, on the spot, no further haggling, if I can remove the action from the stock here, right now, in front of you, clean and inspect the bore and barrel channel, and am satisfied with the result."

If the seller was, for instance, myself, with a good conscience, knowing that all is OK beneath the surface, the response would be something like "OK; but as it is my gun, I'd rather dismantle it myself."

Good idea? - No risks for the seller or buyer (apart from your ability to evaluate what you see!).


Patrick

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[MeatMarket]

These rifles often lack one or more of the internal parts,

What would be the reason for this notorious lack of internal parts?

[Patrick Chadwick]

What would be the reason for this notorious lack of internal parts?

Cannibalizing, I think.

[gunner]

(Patricks are always right, OK?).

What will this statement say?

But in this case mercman, you can count on them! Would be a fair deal.

[villiers]

What will this statement say?

But in this case mercman, you can count on them! Would be a fair deal.

Think it means that I´m still learning the black art of black powder. But I´ve made quite some progress and hope to be able to impress with scientific data on New Year´s Day (or set fire to house).

[Patrick Chadwick]

the cap on the end of the spring that stops the spring expanding forwards in to the loading mechanism when there is no cartridge left,

A serious warning to anyone handling an M71/84: If the loading tray will not open fully DO NOT FORCE IT.

This actually happened to a collector I know, whose specialization is handguns, but who had picked up an M71/84:

He showed it to me, noting that he could not open the breech fully to load rounds into the magazine. The loading tray would not descend completely. Fortunately I knew a bit more about these gadgets, and warned him not to try and open it by force. The cap on the end of the spring was missing, so the end of the spring had pushed right forwards underneath the loading tray. Attempting to fully open the breech by force would have resulted in the end of the spring being totally distorted. And that is a very long spring to make...

If you have this problem (and you only know what the cause was AFTER you have dismantled the rifle) then the only way to sort it out is to remove the cap at the front end of the magazine and remove the spring. You will have to "unwind it; i.e. in effect unscrew it so that the end comes out wthout snagging. When the spring comes out without the cap on the end, then you know what the trouble was.


Patrick