Enfield number 5 Mk 1 Bayonet help

[Peter Laidler]

Where is the 2BA screw in the No5 scabbard? Surely the mouthpiece screw is a machine head 6BA screw....yes?

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[LesterH]

A 2BA screw fitted, but I had to file it shorter! Got it at an auto jumble.Made the mistake of buying scabbards etc in parts and not fully finished. The SLR book quotes No.6 x 3/16in long. I attempt to restore stuff but i cant always find the parts! Took me 22 years to find a spare K98 scabbard! Resently I bought in a load of No9 bayonets in poor condition but with good scabbards and this has solved my problems.
No5 bayonets are getting harder to find. My first one was a Viners, in poor condition with out a scabbard. Thank you for the info Lester

[tankhunter]

You will probably find one of the reasons for the N0.5 Bayonet being in short supply is this.
The British Government has Moved forward it's Policy of Not selling Weapons Etc Onto the Civillian Market.
Yes to Forigen M.O.D Departmets, subject to the Correct Paperwork. End user Cert's Etc.
I have Handled MANY Hundereds & Hundereds of Deactivated Sterling Mk IV S.M.Gs On the Civillian Circuit. As well as sold a LOT of them Myself.
They are ALWAYS a Sterling Comercial Weapon IE: A MK IV, & NOT a British L2A3.
Easyist thing to spot is Firstly, The BRITSH Service variant Had a Mod done to strengthen the Butt at the Circular 'U' / Yoke bend near the Middle.
Secondly: The Mag Housing will Be Marked with a UE/ UF/ Etc PREFIX to the serial Number.
The STERLING COMMERCIAL will be USUALLY Marked with a KR series PREFIX to the Number & the Butt Will NOT Have the Mod Plate welded in the Above mentioned Place.

The Brit Policy is to Guillotine or Gas Axe all Smallarms Not sold out of the Country. Or the same if not sold to a Dealer Here in the UK to be subsequently Exported OUT of here.

I know of a Dealer who is a Good Friend of Mine who knows of LOADS os SLR's sold to Germany. ALL EX Brit M.O.D. They will NOT sell to him for Re-importation to the UK.
Because, there was a Proviso in the sale deal. They can buy them, but they must NOT be re-imported. If they do this, they will NEVER be allowed to buy anything from the M.O.D again!

All that being said, I have taken possesion of a GENUINE Deactivated Fazakerly Manufactured L2A3 & is UF serial Number marked!
It must have 'Got out' early in it's life, because it did NOT have the Butt Mod done to it!
(It certainly DOES now!)
It is the ONLY One I have seen in Private hands.

So, If they Cut up all the Obsolete Sterlings (Some MAY have been refurbed & gone into War Reserve) Then it stands to reason that the Bayonets as 'Weapons' MAY have also been destroyed as well.
Museums will have been offered some as the 'Norm' over here before destruction (Peter can confirm this)
The ONLY thing in quantity that HAS been released, is the webbing slings!
Even the cleaning kits are NOT about in the quantities that they should be if officially released. (Unlike the SLR Kits!)

This MAY go some way to explain the shortage in Collectors terms. Of WHY the No.5 Bayonet is not seen commonly on the Militaria Circuit.
Unlike the SLR Bayonets, Magazines, slings, Cleaning kits Etc. Which WERE Officially released onto the Civillian Market to Appropriate Licensed Dealers.

[peregrinvs]

The ONLY thing in quantity that HAS been released, is the webbing slings!

I had noticed there seem to be a lot of unissued ones kicking about at the moment. Sadly far more than there are guns to put them on.

Although this isn't a problem for one 'enterprising' eBay seller...

WW2 1941 BRITISH MK 2 BREN GUN M.E.C.O 1944 WEBB SLING | eBay

[tankhunter]

How would you discribe a 'LOT' pereginvs?

The link to the 'Enterprising Seller' also shows quite few inaccurate discriptions of his (Mainly Government surplus) listings! Cevat Emptor = Let the Buyer Beware!......

[peregrinvs]

How would you discribe a 'LOT' pereginvs?

As in there's no current lack of them for sale on eBay / online / at militaria fairs. I probably ought to get one whilst this is still the case.