finally, attempting to show granddad's "bringback"

[blazer91]

Hi, let me know exactly what you mean, as far as i know this beauty spent most of the time stashed in the ceiling of granddad's old cottage. That's why there are paint specks on the stock (not visible in pics). I know it got to the deer camp in the 50s , just for some fun but for the most part has remained hidden away. I will check with my dad but i'm sure he has told me everything he knows about it. Jim

[USGI]

My take on that comment is that the pins all appear to match - that might be hard to duplicate on a restoration, thereby making a "restorer" have to work a little harder. - Bob

[blazer91]

Bob, I took it that Bubba was implying something negative, in a rude way. I said i didn't have anything to prove and i only know what my Dad can tell me but maybe I need to meet up with Badger as he is only a couple hours away. Jim

[USGI]

I think Bubba's an OK guy. Why don't you go ahead and send him a PM. That might be a good way to handle it. Also, Doug (Badger) will usually respond right away to any PM's you send him, even when he's on the road. - Bob

[blazer91]

thanks Bob, think i will send him a note. Since joining last march I have come to learn how big a deal this is, with regard to restoration and deliberate deception.
I can't just haul it out to take more pics as it is still with my father (couple hours further away from Badger) and stashed good. The reality is that it is a "restricted weapon" so it must stay hidden. One blast of politics here, at the risk of censure, in this country we have to secure our weapons and hide them or we face charges, instead of criminals worrying about getting their f^*king heads blown off. But don't worry, I still keep a short barrelled Mossberg at the ready. cheers

[painter777]

My take on Rogers statement,
The wear and color on the pins and safety look original to the trigger housing. All appear to have been tapped in to place with the same type tool. Finish wear circles can be seen under the pins and around the safety ON THE TRIGGER HOUSING

All good things to find!

Charlie-painter777

[Bubba-7]

blazer91 did email me and send me a PM. I will respond here so all can see.

P7, Close, but not wear or color, Something else on a more basic level, machining.

Please look again at the left side view of the trigger housing. I have noticed over the past ten plus years in aquiring "real" original five million and up Inlands, that the pins, safety , and usually recoil plare screw head will have raised up metal in the center. A little ti* (thing on a male hog, not used) as it were. The picture clearly shows this on the trigger housing pin, hammer pin, and safety. The trigger pin could have one but picture is a little fuzzy and it would be small. I have seen trigger pins with the ti* on Inlands and it could be on the other side.

My commit was for would be restorers to look at their work and check the pins. If they do not have this raised up point, they need to get "Inland" pins. A restorer having to get pins with a ti* for his late Inlands, is the new level of which I speak.
Check recoil plate screws for those with raised up metal in the center.
Havind the ti* is another way to spot reproduction safeties. They don't have them as a rule, not fool proof, just something else to look for.

I saw nothing on the pictured carbine to inply it was not what it was thought to be. A very nice carbine. Wonderful it is staying in the family. I have so many that the family thought nothing of and sold. It makes me feel bad for them, of them, I don't know. It makes me sick to see real history on a personal level lost.

If I did not answer all the concerns raised about this carbine, please let me know.

[blazer91]

thanks for your obvious expertise, I took your original comment in a negative way and apoligise for going "on the offense". I just wish I was able to get first hand info from my grandfather regarding his experience with this beautiful piece of history. Jim

[painter777]

I see what you mean Roger.
Here's a picture or 2 of the tits on the pins and safety on this one. U flip sight, 3-44 barrel, OI stock channel stamped with the green numbers 80 4, stock made on the 80th day of 1944 per the Julian dating system.
You'll have to look thru the packing grease as this one has been stored away for a few years.

Thx,
Charlie-painter777

[Bill Hollinger]

Bubba, great tutorial on the characteristics of the pins and safety.

I checked and my late Inland has all those characteristics as well.