Another 1903/A3 cartouche question

[Johnny Peppers]

The entire marking has been pantographed.

[Rick the Librarian]

Yep, phony as a $3 bill. The "3"s especially. Below is a picture of the receiver of a Remington M1903 of approximately the same serial number. I'm sure you can see the difference. It also appears that the receiver has been ground or buffed.

Just for the record, the earliest M1903A3 serial number found, so far is in the 3,320,000 range.

[oldmartins]

Sorry, will post more info later, football to watch......

Wait a minute....Receiver ground down? I'm not trying to defend this whole issue but I can't buy the receiver being ground, that just does not show up for all photos I've seen. And what's the advantage of a faked serial number?
I can't buy that the Remington and A3/03 has been changed, same font exactly. To wipe out the serial number, seems like they'd have to wipe out everything and start again. There is no evidence of the radius of the barrel bar
being altered in it's radius, it's continuous....

Now, back to football.

[browningautorifle]

Well, football or not, we can see the lines that run across the numbers/letters that are not present on the other rifles pictured. Photos often show things that aren't visible to the naked eye. Look and compare. An entire marking would be eliminated to make the rifle into what you want. It doesn't matter what you buy or not...just look.

[Salt Flat]

Also note that the step where the handgaurd ring slips over the front of the receiver is gone. This would definetly indicate that the receiver ring has been reduced in diameter (ground down). The right side of the markings would be under the hangaurd ring if it was present.The finish still has grind marks and an odd color. The pictures kind of remind me of some of the hand made firearms that the VC made during the Vietnam War. They would come reasonably close to replicating a firearm but would invariably mispell the manufacturers name or otherwise slightly miss on the details (like an incorrect font for the serial number).. Salt Flat

[Chuckindenver]

post a picture of the whole receiver, with the rear section as well. if this is what i think it is...yikes.
i belive this is a national Ord or Santa Fe arms cast POS. that someone has remarked, and reserialed to fake someone out.
the ridge on a real Remington is longer, and not as sharp at the edge.
ill be able to tell if i can see the rear bridge ahead of the rear sight.

[Johnny Peppers]

Game over.

[Rick the Librarian]

Game over.

Both literally and figuratively!!

[oldmartins]

Glad I gave you guys someone to have a laugh on. I'm happy that all your purchases have
been perfect and that you've never had a problem with anything you bought.
I just feel so good after spending time here. Sensitive and caring, you guys are the best!

[Chuckindenver]

not over yet,,,how bout a pic? i wasnt laughing.. iv been burned myself.
if this is a Nat Ord, that been remarked, i would take the rifle back, and get your money back, altering a serial number is a big no no, and altering the manfacture is a big no no as well