How much for a Lee-Enfield?

[Aragorn243]

I checked out an No4 Mk 1 enfield at a pawn shop today. It was a sporterized version without hand guards or forestock that had the wood hacked off on the bottom stock and sanded to look more sporty. It was without any iron sights at all( only had some weird german named notch blade welded onto the barrel above the chamber). They wanted $325USD. I said politely, "No that thing is missing sights, handguard, stock and it ain't worth that to me. I wanted to trade a sks for it. They told me to give em 50USD and the sks. I said no thanks bye. Does $325USD sound like a reasonable price for a rifle without barrel bands,stock, handguard or sights? What should I look to pay for a No4 Mk1 nowadays in good condition with all it stock and hardware intact (including sights lol)? Any and all help is appreciated.

Sporterized like that is about $150 at best.

[Aragorn243]

I like it when people are straight shooters and get straight to it. Besides, it's only my "internet feelings" he would have hurt. Anyway, why do you all dislike Mausers so much? Is it because they have a waay better action and look better.

Probably because this is the Enfield forum and most of these guys are Enfield guys and comments like that could be considered fighting words.

Mauser guys talk Mausers on the Mauser forum.

I have interests in all of them so I roam about all over the place. I can't say I have a preference between Mausers and Enfields, My favorite rifles are the Swiss straight pulls, if you want to learn about them, go to that forum. I've shot and hunted with Enfields. Nice smooth action and fast. The 10 round magazine gives them a strong advantage over the Mausers. I've only shot Swedish Mausers and found them to be accurate with nice tight actions, less recoil but they were smaller calibers than the 303. I've shot Carcano's and found them to be a pain in the royal behind for a number of reasons. I've shot Arisakas and found them to be very enjoyable. I've shot Mosin Nagants of several types and didn't get excited about them but they were fun. The Swiss, can't say much more than once I shot one, I wanted more and if I had to take one surplus rifle with me into the wilderness, it would be a K31.

On your handle. I read a lot, always have since I was younger than you. There are a lot of things people consider to be evil in the world, the SS is one of them. Were they all evil, no but enough of them were that they deserve the reputation. The Waffen SS were more army like, were also not all German and didn't share the same ideals but the regular SS were "bred" to be that way. They were taught from a young age to believe in their superiority and that all others were beneath them, so far as to be consider animals in many instances. I personally would not want to be associated with them in that way. I often see young kids portraying them in re-enactments and I find myself wondering if they really understand what they represent. I never want to hide the SS from the world, I would enjoy having something from their history but only so I could share it with others and remind them what they represented. If you don't know history or don't remember history, you're somewhat doomed to repeat it. The SS does not deserve repeating.

[RobD]

I agree with the above. The handle "SS Sniper" does you no credit and will not win friends and influence people on forums like this.
Perhaps I might politely suggest you read, learn, and understand a bit more about the SS. History might show you the difference between honourable elite troops (here I am thinking of the SAS, SBS, Commandos, Marines, Seals etc.) and contemptible, sadistic, murdering scum - (here I am thinking of the SS). Sorry if this sounds impolite, but not all soldiers are the same - some are good, some are bad, and some beyond contempt.
Mod feel free to delete this post if it offends the SS and their fans.

[Count Coutu]

I agree with the above. The handle "SS Sniper" does you no credit and will not win friends and influence people on forums like this.
Perhaps I might politely suggest you read, learn, and understand a bit more about the SS. History might show you the difference between honourable elite troops (here I am thinking of the SAS, SBS, Commandos, Marines, Seals etc.) and contemptible, sadistic, murdering scum - (here I am thinking of the SS). Sorry if this sounds impolite, but not all soldiers are the same - some are good, some are bad, and some beyond contempt.
Mod feel free to delete this post if it offends the SS and their fans.

Thanks. I realize my name is a problem. I will change it.

[CINDERS]

Oi Count Couto - lets see how a Mauser handles mud being a front locker and after you have expended your five rounds and are stippering another 5 in I still have 5 in the mag LMAO, all battle rifles have there good and bad points as does the 303's it is a matter of choice.
As for the handle SSniper lets get one thing perfectly straight snipers are trained to eliminate high value targets sorta like a chooks head meets the axe, the Waffen SS were very highly trained and dedicated troops but such was their training they could be construed as Commando's, look up their leaders instructions what happened to our or the British Commandos if captured by them or any Werhmacht unit.

Anyway I have already been held to task about getting political, my father in WWII went through New Guinea, Wewak, Mindanao and Moratai shaking hands with the Japanese Imperial forces he did not talk about his experiences except to my brother in law who is a Vietnam vet that the Japanese bombed them once and it was not nice. Consider changing the handle bloke as for some the memories of war are like yesterday and unless you were there and in the midst of it you do not know the fear and noise and not knowing if you are going to die one moment to the next.
I have 2500 + books on conflicts spanning mostly WW1-II and believe me there is nothing glorious in war like in the first day of the Somme WWI the British lost 60,000 men and for us Australians 2 battles stand out Fromelles and Pozieres so please consider the request from those that have endured the heat of battle and lets move on I mean Mauser Marty is not to bad a nick!

Post script Note: Thank you for changing your nick but you may want to consider what I suggested I mean MM is as good as chocholate

[Count Coutu]

Oi Count Couto - lets see how a Mauser handles mud being a front locker and after you have expended your five rounds and are stippering another 5 in I still have 5 in the mag LMAO, all battle rifles have there good and bad points as does the 303's it is a matter of choice.
As for the handle SSniper lets get one thing perfectly straight snipers are trained to eliminate high value targets sorta like a chooks head meets the axe, the Waffen SS were very highly trained and dedicated troops but such was their training they could be construed as Commando's, look up their leaders instructions what happened to our or the British Commandos if captured by them or any Werhmacht unit.

Anyway I have already been held to task about getting political, my father in WWII went through New Guinea, Wewak, Mindanao and Moratai shaking hands with the Japanese Imperial forces he did not talk about his experiences except to my brother in law who is a Vietnam vet that the Japanese bombed them once and it was not nice. Consider changing the handle bloke as for some the memories of war are like yesterday and unless you were there and in the midst of it you do not know the fear and noise and not knowing if you are going to die one moment to the next.
I have 2500 + books on conflicts spanning mostly WW1-II and believe me there is nothing glorious in war like in the first day of the Somme WWI the British lost 60,000 men and for us Australians 2 battles stand out Fromelles and Pozieres so please consider the request from those that have endured the heat of battle and lets move on I mean Mauser Marty is not to bad a nick!

Post script Note: Thank you for changing your nick but you may want to consider what I suggested I mean MM is as good as chocholate

I know they were terrible people.
Thanks, Matthew

[bigduke6]

Anyway, why do you all dislike Mausers so much? Is it because they have a waay better action and look better.

I,ve Nothing against them CC in fact I have one, but its a Portuguese Mauser, The build quality and finish in these is excellent and being a pre War rifle the quality aspect is there and not the quantity.

I,ve a few M1903,s , Martini Henry, Martini Enfield, have had many in the past such as P14, M1917, Swiss K11, AR15....... the list is long but distinguished and have recently purchased a Springfield .45-70 1888 model, So not biased when it comes to Milsurps, but generally prefer Enfields.

I often browse the other forums here at Milsurps, they are excellent viewing and all of them worth a visit, a world of Knowledge at your fingertips and don't be afraid of asking anything or PM anyone for advice as it may save you some embarrassment in the future I,ve bought my fair share of lemons in the past and a few PM,s could of saved me some grief.

When you do get your first Milsurp then have a look at the range reports forum, and maybe have a go at the Milsurps target Cometition and shoot , see link below:

Milsurp Target Competition and Shoot (2013),

( good move on the name change )

[tbonesmith]

Welcome Count Coutu! You have come to a good place.

All the best.

[jmoore]

Anyway, why do you all dislike Mausers so much

K98k with Zf41 mount




A WWI Gew98 with mud cover.

I actually like very much the 1889, 1891, and '93/'95 Mauser variants and prefer them to the '98 types. Hard to find in good shape anymore, though. What I do not like about Nazi era Mausers is the massive fakery associated with the scoped variants. My one was the center of some controversy, even though it has been well researched. (A Gew 98 Simpson rework for the SS before the war. Still not inclined to share photos of that one!)

[Enfield Novice]

Welcome Count. I am a newcomer here myself and have to agree that there is a wealth of knowledge to be had here. I only started collecting and shooting rifles 2 years ago at the grand old age of 65.When I started I bought most everything I could find at a cheap price if I could find it. My first was a 1943 K98 Mauser (bcd 43) and was a vet bring back from WW2. It has all matching numbers and if you check what the bcd code is you will understand the history of where it was assembled. I then got a sporterized 1942 US Government No4 Enfield then a 1942 Arisaka 99. After shooting all 3 (I still have them) I settled towards reading about Enfields and started to collect them. I now have 6. There is a feeling when you hold and fire these rifles no matter which side they were used on. You sit and think My God what a nightmare it must have been for the poor men who carried them. Given that I count myself fortunate to never have served I find myself drawn to the more human aspect of the men who carried these. I have a 1914 Enfield LSA that would have been carried in the trenches of WW1. All of this leads me to better understand history and the totally futile waste of war. I am glad you are interested in all aspects of the weapons. If you can then try to find away to handle and shoot as many different types as you can before investing in any given type. I found I really enjoy shooting the .303 round as well as the Enfield history and mechanics. Great bunch of folks on here from all walks of life and ages that have helped me as I learn about the weapons.