.38 Webley Mk. IV problem.

[Patrick Chadwick]

I hope that this is close enough to the Webley as I have only got a skeletonised Enfield handy to shake up the memory buds on my brain

Thanks Peter. They are the same basic mechanism, which goes way back into the 19th century and the Beaumont-Adams (?). Even in the Colt DA revolvers (from which I got the term "hammer strut" for what you refer to as "catch, hammer", not knowing what to call it!) it is the same principle, although buried in a lot of other gadgetry. See Kuhnhausen "The Colt Double Action Revolvers" Vol I p.94 Fig. 125 and 126 for a good illustration and explanation of the principle of operation. In the case under discussion, Bubba has obviously played around to the extent that one should completely dismantle the revolver and check everything. Bubba has the tendency to file one thing, mess up the gun, then file something else in a disastrous attempt to cure the first bodge, thereby making things even worse.

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[Patrick Chadwick]

Notice first he says it's happening in DA then he changes it to it happening in SA. How can the pawl be too short in SA but not in DA if it rides higher in SA? After looking at schematics for the VI I ask myself how can the hammer fall and strike between the primer and case "in either action" without the cylinder being locked in place by the cylinder catch and most important the cylinder lock on the trigger engaged. I know it can't but that's what BIO said. If that's happening NO the gun is not safe. Does the pawl complete the cylinder rotation just before the hammer falls? If so and BIO's hammer is dropping before that I'd say its a sear issue be it the DA hammer catch or if in SA the cocking notch/sear on the hammer. Because if the hammer drops before the pawl can complete rotation then the pawls not to short. I'm not arguing, I'm discussing...

In short, you are as puzzled as I am. About the only thing of which we can be fairly sure, without actually having the gun in pieces before us, is that it is obviously FUBAR. Hence my comment:

In the case under discussion, Bubba has obviously played around to the extent that one should completely dismantle the revolver and check everything.

[Bionicback321]

First off let me apologize for all the confusion that I caused with my novice description of single action and double action live and learn. The Webley did indeed fire correctly in double action. The cylinder was fully rotated and locked in place and the firing pin struck the primer dead center. Single action was another story. As shown in the photo of the hammer, the sear had been filed on by non other then Bubba himself. I ordered a replacement hammer from our good friends at Numrich for the princely sum of $35 plus shipping. It did not come with the firing pin so I removed it from the original and installed in on the replacement ( I also swapped the hammer catch as it was affecting double action by not allowing the hammer to completely reset ). This Webley Mk IV is now functioning flawlessly in both SA and DA. Thank you all for your input and gentle guidance.

[WarPig1976]

First off let me apologize for all the confusion that I caused with my novice description of single action and double action live and learn. The Webley did indeed fire correctly in double action. The cylinder was fully rotated and locked in place and the firing pin struck the primer dead center. Single action was another story. As shown in the photo of the hammer, the sear had been filed on by non other then Bubba himself. I ordered a replacement hammer from our good friends at Numrich for the princely sum of $35 plus shipping. It did not come with the firing pin so I removed it from the original and installed in on the replacement ( I also swapped the hammer catch as it was affecting double action by not allowing the hammer to completely reset ). This Webley Mk IV is now functioning flawlessly in both SA and DA. Thank you all for your input and gentle guidance.

Good deal.!! Happy shooting...