Thnax for all the help my friend , at least i have a use for these .310 170 fp's that i have near 500 of , soon as the weather breaks i will deff try this 4196 i have and see if i can locate the other powders, powder in the Ohio valley area has gotten hard to come by, most times the day it hits shelves its all gone around here , does seem to be making a small comeback now in availaility , all the dems did with their stupid anti gun rhetoric is make it hard on us never broke law 1 in our life ,very difficult to even reload our own, took me 5 months to locate 5000 rifle primers and 2000 pistol, just ridiculous how they let these people determine prices and availability of ammo and reloading components along with the price gouging of weapons that were selling for 4 times what they were worth, they will not stop till they get their way , all who read this forum remember which dems or turncoat repubs were ,i have them written down, so next november , i can watch em all cry when we vote them all out of a job, the repubs may be greedy, but not once have they come after my rights and trampled on our 2nd amendent rights like these people in office have now.