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I wonder who 'the nice gentleman from England
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06-03-2014 04:37 AM
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Can it REALLY be that there's another Enfield forum circulating this planet? Really!
I think that the bloke who sent the 1949 trials stuff was our very own Nigel. I have to comment though that if there WAS a problem with slippery rings - if you'll excuse the phrase - I wonder why the same telescope carried on right up until the late 80's! And correcting those slippery(and defective as you'll read later, to boot) rings is simplicity itself. You can bet that as sure as little green apples, those protruding knobs would be the first thing that would get either a) broken off or b) moved around!
What you all probably don't know is that there is a +/- torque figure for the slipping rings. We use a SPANNER, torque, adaptor telescope and the little Armourers spring balance to measure it. Repair is by replacing the crushed double coil spring washers or shimming them up. The main problem is caused by well meaning amateurs greasing up the spring/centre spindle/thumbscrew with grease and this lessens the friction.
You could sum this up by saying that slippery rings are caused by too muchy grease! Ho ho ho...... Well it is a rainy Tuesday morning here in Oxfordshire
Back to serious though. Here's a thing you all ought to do NOW or PDQ if you shoot a No4T or an L42. When it is properly zeroed for YOU, count the number of clicks from the anti-clockwise end top to '0'. It'll be about 7 to 10 or so at a guess - maybe more or maybe less depending. Now do the same for the deflection drum. Now write this little number inside the end cap of the tele lens cap. That way, if you ever suspect that the slipping scale drum has slipped a bit during a shoot or while you are fumbling with the sight, during a rundown for example, you can always quickly check.
And yes, if you have these little undecipherable hyroglyphics wrtitten into the end caps, that's what they'll probably indicate. And if there is an 'A', that is azimuth which is the sniper term for deflection angles
There, sorry to go off at another tangent but there's another few bits of totally useless Enfield related info that you didn't know about
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Ha Ha...... now you tell me, after our long conversations about my particular sight issues on my L42, or was I the reminder?......sorted now though and thanks, always good to be reminded of the bleeding obvious.......write it down somewhere
Last edited by Gil Boyd; 06-03-2014 at 11:16 AM.
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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Nige? I must have a word with him...................!
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That's interesting: I thought it was a replacement bell at a glance, but just a sort of soldered on shoulder? Most likely idea would be either a sort of recoil shoulder or perhaps an adaption for a set of rings of some unknown configuration? That or a bit of reinforcement for the tube, but that hardly seems worth the bother as a primary reason for such a modification.
Originally Posted by
Simon
Well I've had chance to strip the scope down and to my untrained eye the internals appear to be the same as those in any other MkIII scope.
I've also removed the soldered half rings from the Ocular end. They are made from Brass and have been perfectly shaped to fit around the Ocular bell, definitely not a home gunsmiths work so I'm wondering if it was for a Military purpose of some kind?
Cheers,
Simon.
Originally Posted by
Lee Enfield
We discussed that one here at the time as I recall. That "nice gent" in England posted the original trials report IIRC.
Last edited by Surpmil; 06-05-2014 at 12:48 AM.
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I'd clearly forgotten about the Trials report, or maybe I was away wandering about in the mud at the time......
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Looking at the quality of the fixing of those rings onto the tube I suspect that the telescope had been bodged to fit into a larger dia. commercial bracket or set of rings. Simple to do at the front with a set of split parallel rings but not so simple at the rear where the start of the taper would cause a problem in the bracket or position of the rings
No trials team would have got away with that workmanship in my humble opinion.......
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Roger, I take it the "Nice Gent" being referred to............. is in fact Peter
Would love to have seen the hits on target using those firm rings!!
'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA
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Originally Posted by
Gil Boyd
Roger, I take it the "Nice Gent" being referred to............. is in fact Peter
Would love to have seen the hits on target using those firm rings!!
It was another, but then you have so many...!
(And the odd miserable SOB of course!)
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“There are invisible rulers who control the destinies of millions. It is not generally realized to what extent the words and actions of our most influential public men are dictated by shrewd persons operating behind the scenes.”
Edward Bernays, 1928
Much changes, much remains the same.
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We are of course assuming the 'girth enhancement' of the tube was done at the same time & by the same source as the mods to the drums. The drum mods look fairly well done to me, but the back end looks like Bubba's work. Could it not have been used in Trials & then further got at at a later date by someone entirely different?
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