Enfield No4 in .410 - any details??

[Enfield trader]

So it is not a collectable then ? And it is just a wall hanger?

Someone suggested markings mean HMP WS = Her Majesty's Prison Wormwood Scrubs

I found a guy that has one just like this for sale and he has one marked NSW on the receiver and AMC on the stock and is a ROF 43 marked rifle, any idea on that one ??

[Alan de Enfield]

As of Tuesday this was for sale on one of the US auction sites.
It had been sold previously and returned as when the barrel was measured something like only the last couple of inches was 410 calibre, the chamber size was wrong and rest of the barrel measured at somewhere around .318 (if I remember). It was / is being sold 'as is with no return'

The WS allegedly is for "Wormwood Scrubs"

Just as an 'add-on' my local gunshop ( a few weeks ago) had a No4: 410 calbre for sale but didnt notice any particular markings.
It did NOT have the magazine well welded up, so as far as the Police are concerned it should be a Firearm (FAC needed) but it was being sold as a shotgun (SGC needed)

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Not a .410 but some years ago I aquired a single shot No1Mk3.
Second version, used to arm tribesmen of somewhat doubtful loyalty. While it is a No1Mk3, the Brits had the advantage of the 10 round magazine. The ere is a trough rivited to the reciever and the mag well has a wood block like the .410.
The first version did not have a magazine well. and the trigger guard extended to the forward reciever screw.

[Mk VII]

Prison guards here are never armed, so it certainly didn't originate here.
Doesn't rule out some other Dominion converting them.

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

What about the guards in the tower?

[Peter Laidler]

Yes, but that isn't a prison John........, well, not any more!

[Mk VII]

They will probably be civilian security firms these days (haven't been there for ages - you don't when you live so close to it) and they won't be armed. The Yeomen Warders are more decorative than anything else.

[sprog]

Looks to me like it's already been 'bubbad' John. Didn't the Indian .410 conversions have the wooden insert held in place with two cross dowels?

I've just checked out mine Peter. No dowels just a nice piece of wood working & glue. Just noticed a) No Ishy screw b) It appears to be not a
conversion but an original '42 RFI .410 with a moulded metal fitting riveted into the receiver well.

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Yes, but that isn't a prison John........, well, not any more!

But the block and Axe is still in the tower!

I meant the guards in modern prisons. Wonder if they will ever fill the position that Albert Pirrepont used to have.

Given some of the scumbags I have read about recently, reinstating that job would certainly cut the murder rate.

He unfairly criticized the American hangmen who faced the nazis the wrong way so the trap hit them in the face on the way down, Personaly I don't think they got it wrong,

[winnipeg toymaker]

I have not seen a No.4 converted to .410. but I do have a No.1 Mark III* that was converted to 2 1/2 - .410. One like it was carried by my Great Uncle when he guarded an Internment Camp in Alta. He bought it, when he was no longer required, for $11.00 so he told me.

this gun does not have the filled mag but still has the spring and carrier. and is marked (electric pencilled) on the stock band " .410- 2 1/2 " and stamped .410 on the top of the action and the barrel. How many or when it was converted, I have no idea, nor does the Military Museum in England.