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    H110 and W296 are the exact same powder. They were marketed separately for years before Hodgdon became the distributor for Winchester powders. Both are made by St. Marks powder in Florida. These are the original powders for the 30 Carbine and these deliver the highest velocity.
    H4227 and Lil Gun will also work. They just deliver slightly less velocity. Not enough to matter. With today's hard to get powder situation, use whichever you can find.

    The Hodgdon website has data for all these powders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by no4mk1t View Post
    H110 and W296 are the exact same powder.
    Excellent, excellent info to find out. That's why we're here.
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    For those that doubt this, you can look at the data on the Hodgdon website and see that the charge weights and pressure/velocity data are identical for both powders.
    If you need further convincing, email the Hodgdon tech folks and ask them. They will tell you it is so. This was once a industry secret as Hodgdon did not advertise that their "Spherical" powders were the same as Winchester's Ball powders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no4mk1t View Post
    For those that doubt this, you can look at the data on the Hodgdon website and see that the charge weights and pressure/velocity data are identical for both powders.
    My Hornady manual shows the same thing. However the two Speer manuals I have shows the max charge to be a grain different. I've seen data from other sources that show a difference as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    My Hornady manual shows the same thing. However the two Speer manuals I have shows the max charge to be a grain different. I've seen data from other sources that show a difference as well.
    Could be different lots of the same powder. Look at a selection of different manuals and they will all be slightly different for the same powder no matter which powder you pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no4mk1t View Post
    Could be different lots of the same powder. Look at a selection of different manuals and they will all be slightly different for the same powder no matter which powder you pick.
    Probably has more to do with varying jacket hardness and bearing surface lengths of the bullet from one brand to the next. Another factor could be slight differences in the bore/chamber dimensions of the test guns used.
    Anyway, my point is even though the two powders may be identical in all aspects don't take it for granted the charge weights will be interchangeable for all brands of bullets of a given weight.
    Check the data for that particular bullet before loading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    Check the data for that particular bullet before loading
    Absolutely agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage hunter View Post
    My Hornady manual shows the same thing. However the two Speer manuals I have shows the max charge to be a grain different. I've seen data from other sources that show a difference as well.
    I have several reloading manuals and all show different min/max loads for the identical powder/bullet. Look at a older manual and it usually is a much higher max. load than a newer manual, why?? Personally think that companies have serious liability concerns and who knows if their lawyers get involved.

    I have discussed this issue with friends that reload and we believe liability must have something to do with it.
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