1896 LMC MK1 Type3

[englishman_ca]

One can guess much from serial numbers, but a large sample is needed to see a pattern develop. A8296 could well be a Type 2. But the 1895 marked butt disc is obviously not original to the 1896 dated carbine.


1895 LMC Type 1, D ring removed, sight cover screws added, serial 2854A
1895 LMC Type 1, D ring intact. serial 5214A ex Canadian service
1895 LMC Type 1, D ring intact, serial 5699A likely ex Canadian
1895 LMC Type 1, D ring intact, serial 5817A likely ex Canadian
1896 LMC Type 2, no D ring, serial 9609A (or as suggested, a type 3 with a sling bar butt replacement)

Canada purchased only 500 LMC arms in 1895, but their serial numbers do not appear to have been sequential as their spread is greater than 500.

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Condemned? Or sold out of service?

The twin sisters, being a double capital R back to back is a condemned marking. I guess that a condemned rifle could be converted to a DP, but this one hasn't.

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As with the DP on mine.

I suspect the Metford rifling had a fair bit to do with it.

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Just thinking out loud here, but your Type 2 has serial number A9609 whilst my Type 3 is A7452 which leads me to consider two options.

Mine is a Type 2 that has had the sling bar removed in service, or yours is a Type 3 that has had the butt replaced with an earlier version.

For sure, my carbine has a later (higher) serial number than yours. So let's just assume that it is later production. I note that yours has had the sight cover screws added, which, if I recall correctly was an 1897 onwards retrofit. Your wrist strap has several factory rework markings, so perhaps the butt was brought into line with pattern arms when the screws were added by patching the sling bar inletting. That would lead me to suggest that they are both type 2 carbines. Only guess work, I can't back it up.

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[browningautorifle]

The twin sisters, being a double capital R back to back is a condemned marking.

First time I've heard that. Thanks...

[Lithy]

Lithy, I saw an 1896 LMC at an AAA auction serial number A8296 and it had the sling bar in the but also, but this may not be conclusive either because I had reservations about the butt and/or the butt disc. The disc was marked with an issue date of 7/1895.
You have a very nice carbine there. Have you owned it long?

Must have missed that one. How long ago?

I've had this one for about 5-6 years. Another one of the times when the vendor thought he knew what he had and I paid Type 1 top dollar. We both parted as happy campers.

For sure, my carbine has a later (higher) serial number than yours. So let's just assume that it is later production. I note that yours has had the sight cover screws added, which, if I recall correctly was an 1897 onwards retrofit. Your wrist strap has several factory rework markings, so perhaps the butt was brought into line with pattern arms when the screws were added by patching the sling bar inletting. That would lead me to suggest that they are both type 2 carbines. Only guess work, I can't back it up.

I concur but will still call it a Type 3 as that is it's current configuration.

[HarryB]

[QUOTE=Lithy;331563]Must have missed that one. How long ago?

I've had this one for about 5-6 years. Another one of the times when the vendor thought he knew what he had and I paid Type 1 top dollar. We both parted as happy campers.



It was in May auction last year. It was a nice one too, all matching except for rear sight which was correct type and a good bore as well.