Carbine Club

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Correcting rifles can't be blamed for the disinterest in CCNLs if correcting rifles is so popular. Paper back-issues would be more and more popular as people strive to learn how to recreate/restore. And the CC doesn't have a stance against changing parts. It has one against misrepresentation.

New2brass, there's a quite a difference in the survivor car you're describing and the restored car next to it. So it really isn't what was said much earlier in the thread. A survivor car is just like a survivor Carbine---just as it left the factory originally as you said, and 'original' only comes once. A restored car is just like a restored Carbine...a re-creation of the original. Neither is 'wrong' but the true survivor gets the glory over even the arsenal rebuild mix-master that has a better established history. But none of the collectors here is placing higher prices on that provable history for those. Why should the survivor get it when the re-arsenal doesn't? Not talking about restored rifles.

To everyone, Really, why do people value the survivor over the arsenal rebuilds? The arsenal rebuild has an established military history above the survivor when the survivor might very well be a theft that never left the town from where it was stolen.

And it's the old timers, long time buyers and "serious" collectors who set the VALUE of these and they say the rifles with longer proven military history (rifles gone through a rebuild program) don't command the higher price. It's originality alone that grabs the top demand/prices. And the earlier it is, the greater the demand. Most people reading understand that restoring is going to be a popular endeavor. And the reason is because serious old time collectors don't set a higher value for the arsenal rebuilds and their history.

Now the reason new people make a statement to honor their new passion and love it the way it is, is because (1) they don't yet have an education on what they have, and (2) there are stodgy personalities who take advantage of them in public forum threads pressuring them (and often trying to dictate) what the hobby is going to be for the newbys before they even know what they have. IOWs they pressure the newby into confirming he'll cherish the thing as it is before he even understands. New guys always say the same thing in order to gain acceptance and to share excitement of their find. Some people take advantage of that on forums.

I don't own the back issues, or even a single issue. Seems I possibly joined for a partial year, but can't be sure. Since winning an IP and M1A1 from the CMP auction was my primary focus, the Garand Club was easier to join for member privileges, while the Carbine has been my actual passion. Around 125 Carbines have come through my possession and only a few originals/near originals, because originals aren't what drives my passion. About 25 have been imports including many BLUE SKY. The CMPs I've picked up remain just as they are received when sold to the next guy/girl. If I get a Winchester with a checkered stock, I'm replacing it. If it has an adjustable sight and only flip staking, it's getting a Square S.