1,000 Yard Shooting (M1D Garand Sniper Rifle)

[Mag30th]

Ill acknowledge that the 168 is not faster than the 190 at 1,000 yards, if both were fired at 2700 FPS at the same elevation. My initial calculation was not clearly stated, I based it on my 168 at 3800 ft, and your 190 at sea-level. But as a side-note, clearly you are not firing 190’s at 2700 from a standard USGI Garand, while I am firing a 100% USGI unmodified rifle.

I cannot accept your calculations for the 168 for the following reasons, as far as it being adjusted for my environment (I live at 3200 ft and shoot at roughly 3800 ft). You stated earlier, that the problem with the 168 is that it drops sub-sonic at around 800 yards, and that me hitting the 18 inch metal plate at 1,000, was essentially a random coincidence.

It comes down to this; 1) on one hand your computer software program telling you that my round becomes unstable and making the shots at 1,000 very improbable. 2) Yet on the other hand, all other software states that it does not become unstable (at 3800 ft) and that shots at 1000 yards are not with an unstable bullet.

Here’s the argument broken down ever further. You claim that your software states it can’t be done (more or less) and that results that my video is fake, and I’m shooting nowhere near 1,000 yards, possibly fewer than 800 per your calculations.

You stand by your assessment, even though, I have measured the distance out exactly, I performed the shots on a regular basis, and my real world results don’t match up with what your software is telling you is possible. You stick with your software, Ill stick with what is happening in the real world. It is interesting when someone relies so heavily on what a software program tells them is fact, and what someone else is performing in the real world.

Again, to support my position, I’m also shooting my K31 Swiss, open sights, at 1,000 yards, on a 1,000 yard target. Here is the video.

1,000 yards, open sights, Swiss K31 7.5x55 rifle


This round is significantly slower that the 06, yet the 168’s fired from it are still reaching the target super-sonic (1272 FPS per my software) in my high desert environment. Yet, your software program will place it significantly slower, probably under 1000 FPS. Thus (per your calculations) the 168’s from the Swiss should be even less stable. The problem is that I’m shooting more accurately with the Swiss, with open sights at 1,000, than I am with the scoped Garand.

This is why I doubt your stance, and why I feel you are incorrect. You allege that what I do is improbable, and that results in essentially calling me a fraud, and you base this on your computer and your experience shooting at 800 feet elevation. Yet my real world experience shows me that your calculations are incorrect.

You are a “Senior member” here on this post, clearly you have been here awhile, and you have a good standing reputation. Your comments and remarks most people respect. But with that I sense that you are reluctant to let go of something that you are clearly incorrect about, and that is your allegation that my LR shooting is fraudulent.

You stated that I’ve arguing with people since I came here, there is a significant difference between arguing and defending oneself when he is accused of being a fraud.

Please take the time to review my other videos profiling other LR rifles; http://www.youtube.com/user/mag30th

Clearly you cannot come to the conclusion that they are all fraudulent. And please refer me to any videos you have posted.