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bigduke6
around £1000.....
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07-01-2016 04:05 PM
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At this sort of money it is understandable why hooked 1907s get faked and mysteriously give birth to new hooks.
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Originally Posted by
Flying10uk
At this sort of money it is understandable why hooked 1907s get faked and mysteriously give birth to new hooks.
Basic tell tale signs are the date or the date has been linished and everything else on the ricasso is there, grips and screws look too new or have been disturbed, the hook and pommel look too new or too blue, if its just part welded that area will be or most likely stand out from the rest.
If anyone has handled a lot of 1907 bayonets then I dont think its too much of a worry, I've seen German K98
"sniper rifles" at auction and if the builder had done his homework, I guess he would be a richer man.....
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Another thing to look out for is the presence or absence of the transverse oiling hole in the pommel - they didn't introduce that till post hookie days, so if your hooked quillon bayonet has one, it's a fake.
Last edited by Roger Payne; 07-06-2016 at 08:26 AM.
Reason: typo
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I'd think a fake would be done with an early bayonet that may have been converted in the first place...generally...then the dates match.
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Another thing to look out for is the presence or absence of the transverse oiling hole in the pommel - they didn't introduce that till post hookie days, so if you're hooked quillon bayonet has one, it's a fake.
Technically yes. But it is very plausible for the hole to be present on a 07 with the hook.
Interesting thread this, all comes back to having handled enough original items to know when there is something not quiet right.
Basically with a few minutes in the hand its pretty difficult to be passed off a reproduction hookie if you have handled or seen a couple of kosher ones.
Last edited by mike1967; 07-06-2016 at 02:17 AM.
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You're right mike1967, & I'm little more than a novice on hookies, & even bayonets period, but I've seen a few dozen real hookies over the years & I've yet to see a real one with the hole. But as you say, it may be that a few were uprated with the addition of the oil hole & not the removal of the quillon........anything's possible.
What I was trying to get across is that if you see one of these bayonets with the oil hole then give it a wide berth, or at the least a lot of very careful scrutiny....
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Originally Posted by
mike1967
difficult to be passed off a reproduction hookie if you have handled or seen a couple of kosher ones.
I think that's where these guys prey, the uneducated that are desperate to join the ranks of collectors that have the scarce and impossible to get. I can't imagine paying that much only to find you'd been done.
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I can't imagine paying that much only to find you'd been done.
You would certainly be hunting down the culprit Jim LOL
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I think the difficulty here is not so much spotting the genuine/original hooked 1907 but knowing how to spot a fake or an original with a new hook. It would be useful if we could have some pictures posted of hooked 1907s that are known to be faked, please.
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