Without draggin' this thread too far, the single point mounts are the problem. That's why the threaded charge guide was installed and the problem evaporated. Then they shot along side the bolt guns(mostly) and were fine. Removing your optic will always cause problems. As for the optic being at fault, a good tradesman never blames his tool. He get's at and sorts out the issue. I'd blame the weapon too if I couldn't hit sh*t...
By the way, the real M14s are as gorgeous to shoot as an FN ever was for us. I've had all of them...
When you guys get to Victoria, I'm available and have room...