Remington 870 current military issue

[Bruce_in_Oz]

I guess a shotgun would be quite useful in CQB events, but not so much on the Kipling-esque "Afghanistan's Plains".

I spotted the knee protectors in the first pic, so, is that a "displaced" kneepad I see in the second pic?

Looking at that terrain, it should be obvious that knee and elbow pads are essential accessories for combat in the giant rock-garden that is Afghanistan.

Probably also useful for when dealing with the "bureaucracy".

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[browningautorifle]

is that a "displaced" kneepad I see in the second pic?

Yes it is, and they're something we needed 40+ years ago. I'd have less knee problems now.

[Sentryduty]

I spotted the knee protectors in the first pic, so, is that a "displaced" kneepad I see in the second pic?

Looking at that terrain, it should be obvious that knee and elbow pads are essential accessories for combat in the giant rock-garden that is Afghanistan.

Sharp eye Bruce, we finally, and I mean "finally!" were issued knee and elbow protection in 2005, there were two variations. The CADPAT green ones shown in the first photo man on the left, and off the shelf pieces by "Hatch" worn by the man on the right. I got a full set of Hatch (knee and elbow) issued to match the set I had been wearing for years. I never got the CADPAT ones for some reason, perhaps I declined to go to get issued those ones, cannot recall. There were varying opinions about which ones were best, but most guys, including me, found the CADPAT ones to be bulky and more restrictive.

In the second photo you will notice that Cpl. M (Still serving, a Sergeant now.) has only one and it is rotated to the ankle, this was a common practice, in an effort to reduce weight and bulk, only the dominant knee pad was worn, and when not in immediate use was rotated to the side and placed by the ankle, in the "travel position" as wearing such pads did cut off blood flow on long marches. The CADPAT pads could not be used in this way, they were constructed more like sports equipment, hockey gear comes to mind.

Almost no one wore the elbow pads during my time, they weren't worth the weight and bulk, and the majority of knee pad use was seen during tactical pauses when patrolling (take a knee and cover the arcs) or when firing from the kneeling position. Kneeling on rocky Afghan soil without pads, given our packed loads at times would feel like dropping a knee into a box of construction nails.

As any current or retired Infantry Soldier reading is nodding sagely, there is good reason why every Infantryman has ruined knees, feet, and back, and generally survives on Ibuprofen. The stuff you don't worry about when you are 18 sure does catch up when you get just a few years older.

[lemaymiami]

A comment about the standard Remington folding metal stock for 870 models... Anyone that I knew in police service down here in paradise (south Florida 1973-1995 -during the height of the party... ) rarely ever fired a folding stock model more than once or twice.. You could tell at the range which guys had used them with the folding stock extended, since most of them needed a bandaid or two in the facial area afterwards. Most of us far preferred the standard old wooden stock models, period. That's what I carried to any hot calls during my career. Those old folding stock models can be found today fairly regularly at auctions (not the gun so much as just the stock....). That basic riot configured wooden stock model would still be my choice for close quarters work since they're a one shot fight ender...