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[Vincent]

A butt tucked under your arm makes a SMG far more stable, aimable and shoot-from-the-hipable.

Yes, Sir. That’s true.

There are also situations where an extended butt is a hindrance, like anytime you are inside a vehicle. That little Sten pistol or a little SMG with the butt folded could rest on your lap while you drive and be ready in seconds.

[browningautorifle]

There are also situations where an extended butt is a hindrance

Inside the command area as well. Many there may have a pistol and still have a big butt...

[Vincent]

Many there may have a pistol and still have a big butt...

Sounds like Oakland.

[Peter Laidler]

But you have to get out of your vehicle to pursue the fight. Stay there for more than a second (unless the driver is going to extract you PDQ) and you're all simply caged rats. Hard lessons learned during troubled times abroad

[Vincent]

You have a valid point. Getting out and pursuing the fight is often the best option. The problem here is it would probably land you in very deep legal hot water. That’s because the moment you step outside your vehicle (or home) and go on the offensive you lose your Castle Doctrine protection to use force (including deadly force).

You can “stand your ground” if you are on foot in a public place. That’s considered defensive.

Basically, a normal citizen here can only use force to defend. Only Law Enforcement Officers can use force offensively under some conditions.

So, for now you pretty much stuck in your vehicle if Mr. Crack Addict Carjacker shows up.

Speaking of car jackings, Ithaca made a double barrel shotgun pistol called the “Auto & Burglar.” (1922-1933) They are collector’s items now. It’s the oldest weapon I know of that was specifically made to defend against carjackers.

Highwaymen, stagecoach robbers, carjackers… the names change over the years but not much else.

[tankhunter]

Highwaymen, Stagecoach Robbers, Car Jackers Etc......These days they are known as Politicians!

[browningautorifle]

Ithaca made a double barrel shotgun pistol called the “Auto & Burglar.” (1922-1933)

Like this Vincent? It's always been one of my favorites.

[Vincent]

Yeah, that’s it. It’s one of my favorites too. Most are 20 gage. They made a very few in 12 gage. Way too expensive to keep in the truck.

I see another Tax Stamp and project in the near future.

[browningautorifle]

Max is probably using an old Fox or some such common piece. We can't even contemplate those...

[Vincent]

I believe that one is a VG Bentley.