Force matched - me no understand

[SpikeDD]

In regard to Enfiels, as I haven't followed Mosin's close enough to have heard the phrase, The term " Forced Matched " was a term I understood to have nothing to do with FTR's...nothing to do with properly fitted parts by Armorers...nothing to do with field repairs..etc...etc. It also has nothing to do with "physically" forcing a part to fit a rifle. It was the back yard, non-gunsmith ****** that simply ground one set of numbers off and used whatever was at hand to apply another set of numbers that matched to receiver...poorly done in almost every case in the pure interest of claiming the rifle has "matching" numbers. "Forced" meaning NOT done by a proper Armorer at a military facility. At least that is my understanding of it from dozens of pictures over the years of bolts, nose caps and rear sights where the term " Forced Matched " was used.

If it means something else, it would put every FTR...FTR 1/2...FTR 1/3 rifle on the **** list and I can tell you from my personal sales experience of 1/2 and 1/3 rifles, the term " Forced matched " is not derogatorily associated with them in the least.

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[5thBatt]

In regard to Enfiels, as I haven't followed Mosin's close enough to have heard the phrase, The term " Forced Matched " was a term I understood to have nothing to do with FTR's...nothing to do with properly fitted parts by Armorers...nothing to do with field repairs..etc...etc. It also has nothing to do with "physically" forcing a part to fit a rifle. It was the back yard, non-gunsmith ****** that simply ground one set of numbers off and used whatever was at hand to apply another set of numbers that matched to receiver...poorly done in almost every case in the pure interest of claiming the rifle has "matching" numbers. "Forced" meaning NOT done by a proper Armorer at a military facility. At least that is my understanding of it from dozens of pictures over the years of bolts, nose caps and rear sights where the term " Forced Matched " was used.

If it means something else, it would put every FTR...FTR 1/2...FTR 1/3 rifle on the **** list and I can tell you from my personal sales experience of 1/2 and 1/3 rifles, the term " Forced matched " is not derogatorily associated with them in the least.

My thoughts exactly, if you guys want to give us an "offical" term to replace it with, then please do!

[capt14k]

In regard to Enfiels, as I haven't followed Mosin's close enough to have heard the phrase, The term " Forced Matched " was a term I understood to have nothing to do with FTR's...nothing to do with properly fitted parts by Armorers...nothing to do with field repairs..etc...etc. It also has nothing to do with "physically" forcing a part to fit a rifle. It was the back yard, non-gunsmith ****** that simply ground one set of numbers off and used whatever was at hand to apply another set of numbers that matched to receiver...poorly done in almost every case in the pure interest of claiming the rifle has "matching" numbers. "Forced" meaning NOT done by a proper Armorer at a military facility. At least that is my understanding of it from dozens of pictures over the years of bolts, nose caps and rear sights where the term " Forced Matched " was used.

If it means something else, it would put every FTR...FTR 1/2...FTR 1/3 rifle on the **** list and I can tell you from my personal sales experience of 1/2 and 1/3 rifles, the term " Forced matched " is not derogatorily associated with them in the least.

Backyard gunsmiths changing numbers is humping.

Force Matching is what the Russians did with 91/30, SVT, and other Refurbs. Matching part was lost or no good so they electro penciled a different part and put it on.

The Russians did the same with RC Mausers. They stripped them down. Refinished them. Then to complete the destruction of a beautiful K98k they grabbed the closest bolt or other part and re-numbered it usually with electro pencil rather than looking for the correct matching one.

The Finns since they took crap Russian Mosins and made them shootable did an in between which we call Finn Matching. Russian Numbers were removed and new Finn numbers were added to the Russian parts that were reused.