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    Well, I'll give it a shot...
    You have a lot of questions and I have only a few answers---so let's dispose of some of the unanswerable questions first.
    1.Many of the mysterious small marks that bother you were applied at the factory during manufacture. They meant something then to the people building the rifle, but these meanings are lost.
    2.There are small inspector's marks from Ishapore on your rifle in various places---(R)FI and (I)SA over numbers are Ishapore marks. The "EFD" on the trigger bow is an Enfield Lock inspector's mark. The "N63" on the back sight is for "T.Senior, Atlas Works, Liversidge, Yorks" which means this sight leaf was made during WW2.
    3.The barrel, 81006 D, was most likely assembled to this receiver after it had already been on the original 81006 D receiver. I say this because this receiver has been numbered to the barrel with a slightly different set of stamps and the "D" suffix has been omitted. This receiver's original serial number would have been removed for this operation. The mark after the square is ["] meaning "inch", as in "pounds per square inch". The "R" on the left side isn't a "rust" mark, it's probably "replacement".
    4.The bolt is not original to the rifle. The large grind mark on the rear of the bolt handle indicates the removal of an earlier number and it is not procedure to mark only part of the serial number (006) in that location. So it isn't an official replacement bolt.
    5.The forestock is a post war Ishapore type and this, combined with the other mixed parts---like the nosecap---would seem to indicate a rebuilt sporter, or a rebuilt parts gun. And I do not mean rebuilt at a government facility---sorry if this is bad news.
    The single most interesting bit has got to be the "N 63" marked sight leaf---at least to me, since WW2 Enfields are the only ones still in my possession and I have never seen that mark before.
    At any rate, you should be able to shoot this one. If you are worried about headspace and safety because of the unofficially replaced bolt, tie it to a bench and pull the trigger with a long string. If the bolt doesn't blow out of the rifle and go screaming past your ear, you can move up to holding it in your hands.
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    First thank you really much for your input it's really appreciated, i'm a bit bummed for the barrel and bolt, I really didn't thought of it that way but now that you say it, it make sense the typo is really not the same on the barrel and the D is a dead give away.

    Quote Originally Posted by krinko View Post
    4.The bolt is not original to the rifle. The large grind mark on the rear of the bolt handle indicates the removal of an earlier number and it is not procedure to mark only part of the serial number (006) in that location. So it isn't an official replacement bolt.
    Maybe it's me that want it to a real replacement bolt body too much, but I'm really sure that the 81006 serial is marked on the round part of the bolt handle haha!

    Quote Originally Posted by krinko View Post
    5.The forestock is a post war Ishapore type and this, combined with the other mixed parts---like the nosecap---would seem to indicate a rebuilt sporter, or a rebuilt parts gun. And I do not mean rebuilt at a government facility---sorry if this is bad news.
    So I just call the guy that sold it to me and he said that he scrap two originals top handguards because they were almost completely destroy.

    Quote Originally Posted by krinko View Post
    At any rate, you should be able to shoot this one. If you are worried about headspace and safety because of the unofficially replaced bolt, tie it to a bench and pull the trigger with a long string. If the bolt doesn't blow out of the rifle and go screaming past your ear, you can move up to holding it in your hands.
    I check the headspace with small disc gauge, it did not close on the field and the no go ones! still I think I will follow your advice and use a string and be far away just to be sure!

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