Are these Hornady bullets you guys have been talking about, the #3037's? I have a few of those on hand, but haven't loaded any for several years. I took a look at the data for loads I made for a WWII '03 Remington and the overall length is 3.185" - they worked OK for plinking. These were crimped in the groove with the Lee die. I just compared the OAL to LC M2 Ball and see about .150" difference. About a year ago, I bought some bulk 146g FN FAL bullets for 10 cents each, thinking of using them for .30-06. They measured real close on size and weight, but I ended up selling them. Have any of you guys ever tried those for your '03's or M1icon's? I found this thread very informative, and now know the reason why these Hornady bullets seem to be on the short side for loading .30-06! - Bob