A mint unfired 42 Maltby, Trying to value it

[Ridolpho]

Rayg: I recall your old thread from 2013 about this rifle. In that one you showed a closeup of the upper bolt handle with what appears to be electro-pencilled crossed flags or similar. I was curious if you've found other examples of this on original Maltbys? It is a beautiful rifle but if I were a potential buyer I would want to see photos of the serial font on bolt and barrel and markings on the wood. I would guess that up here in Canada you'd be able to get $1000 (Can) fairly easily or more with patience. The market values here are not totally dissimilar to the US (I can suggest this having imported a couple). While thinking about it, it might also help in selling to take some natural light photos that bring out the hue of the original bluing. Regards.

Ridolpho

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[Hambone]

I would guess that up here in Canada you'd be able to get $1000 (Can) fairly easily or more with patience. The market values here are not totally dissimilar to the US (I can suggest this having imported a couple). While thinking about it, it might also help in selling to take some natural light photos that bring out the hue of the original bluing. Regards.
Ridolpho

$1000 (Can) is US $750. Out of curiosity Ridolpho, do you know what the import / export cost would be from Canada to the US (if I wanted to buy an Enfield from Canada) or US to Canada (if I wanted to sell an Enfield into Canada)?

[Ridolpho]

$1000 (Can) is US $750. Out of curiosity Ridolpho, do you know what the import / export cost would be from Canada to the US (if I wanted to buy an Enfield from Canada) or US to Canada (if I wanted to sell an Enfield into Canada)?

Hambone: I used a company called "Borderview" but I can't recall if they work both ways. My recollection is that it was around $200 per rifle all in (a nice '16 Mk III, and a fair Ishapore Mk I**IP). Check their website as they have pretty good info. Regards.

Ridolpho

[rayg]

Ok, how many Maltby's do you think there are still out there that are still in mint condt. and never fired since proofing and with no import stamps, "England", or British proofs stamps on the muzzle? And still having all the expiedient parts on it. And which has not been molested in any way with the exception of the initials on the stock, and who knows what they mean or who added them. Some posters on line keep guessing a value by referring to one with a non original issue rear sight, as their low estimate price of $600 to $1000 not stating condition. All I need is a price estimate of a minty one comparable to mine as it is, with no import stamps and still with expiedient parts. Ray
PS don't pay any attention to Hambone as he's been trying to buy mine for many years at that $700 price. He already has a nice one. Don't know why he wants mine also, Lol . Ray

[Hambone]

Ok, how many Maltby's do you think there are still out there that are still in mint condt. and never fired since proofing and with no import stamps, "England", or British proofs stamps on the muzzle? And still having all the expiedient parts on it. And which has not been molested in any way with the exception of the initials on the stock, and who knows what they mean or who added them. Some posters on line keep guessing a value by referring to one with a non original issue rear sight, as their low estimate price of $600 to $1000 not stating condition. All I need is a price estimate of a minty one comparable to mine as it is, with no import stamps and still with expiedient parts.

PS don't pay attention to Hambone as he's been trying to buy mine for many years at that $700 price. He aaid that he already has a nice one. Don't know why he want mine, Lol . Ray

Ray,
This is about transparency, candor, and good information. You are not telling the truth. You offered it to me for $800 about two years ago as it was about the only thing unsold on your list. I declined because I, and everyone else who saw the list evidently felt that too high. About six months ago I inquired again, said I would pay the $800 and you fidgeted all about and declined, stating it was now worth much more than that. No problem, that's your right. I thought my $800 offer to be fair and honest and consistent with what you wanted. That's it.

If you are really asking opinions and not shopping your rifle by "inquiring as to value" on the various forums, then you should have no problem with my opinion. You evidently thought I was being less than honest with you when I told you privately that I thought the rifle was worth between $600 and $1000. That has now been independently confirmed at Gunboards Enfield forum and here as well. Nothing I've emailed or posted is untrue or controversial. You've been shopping for blind bids on that rifle on forums for years now, knowing that posts like this will solicit private inquiries, i.e., you're engaged in blind bidding games. I took the bait but the game has worn me out. On our site I wouldn't allow it because it encourages bad deal conduct. I told you privately months ago what you've been told on GB and here: if you do not wish to place it with a price on a WTS forum, put it on the Gunbonker auction and see what happens. At the end of the day it's a nice No.4 Maltby that was surplussed from some foreign country. it isn't the world's most desirable Enfield No. 4. Most of the guys here have nice Maltbys. I do, for $350 at auction six years ago. The difference between mine and yours is a $25 (if I wanted to replace it) substitute standard cocking piece and about 5% points of blue, and my stock isn't popped with "FNR" which for me is not desirable. I'm sure someone here or at Gunboards could get it if they offered you $1200 for the rifle alone, which is the price you are angling for with these "how much is it worth" posts on all the Enfield forums. Good luck with that, I'm not paying it nor do I want to have to buy your Luftwaffe trousers to get it. Maybe someone somewhere needs the world's finest Maltby No.4 for $1200 and some small Luftwaffe trousers Good luck.
Cheers,
HB

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Hambone: I used a company called "Borderview" but I can't recall if they work both ways. My recollection is that it was around $200 per rifle all in (a nice '16 Mk III, and a fair Ishapore Mk I**IP). Check their website as they have pretty good info. Regards.

Ridolpho

Thank you much Ridolpho. I will look at that. I know that Simson's does some importing from Canada. They had nice Inglis pistols, some with the decals, and discretely importer marked on the insides of the mag wells. From what I've seen, for many things Canadian and US prices are close, such that the $200 kicker and import marking required here may make the pain level too high, unless it something rare and cool.

[rayg]

Hambone you are correct, As several years ago I had included that gun on a list of guns I was selling, but I had removed it from the list. Possibility you missed that I had removed it. As far as the $600 dollar price referenced, that is most likely the price of the gun that was posted in an attempt of price comparison on another site where I also posted seeking a value of mine. That gun's rear sight has been replaced with a non original civilian one and removing it would damage/leave evidence of the removal. Other wise it was a nice gun, but it should not be used as a price comparison for an original one. There has been mention of a $1000 value here and on the other site, but with out any description as to correctness or condition of those guns. Again, I do not feel the gun is worth big bucks, Unique and fairly rare yes, but still only a Maltby Mark III and maybe just worth some what more then just the average Maltlby. It could even be a museum representative piece. All I wanted to do was just get a collector's educated estimated value of it. I honestly feel it might be worth a little more then a thousand dollar which if so, I would be very happy with, considering I only paid $100, for it ten or fifteen years ago..Ray .

[Hambone]

Hambone you are correct, As several years ago I had included that gun on a list of guns I was selling, but I had removed it from the list. Possibility you missed that I had removed it. As far as the $600 dollar price referenced, that is most likely the price of the gun that was posted in an attempt of price comparison on another site where I also posted seeking a value of mine. That gun's rear sight has been replaced with a non original civilian one and removing it would damage/leave evidence of the removal. Other wise it was a nice gun, but it should not be used as a price comparison for an original one. There has been mention of a $1000 value here and on the other site, but with out any description as to correctness or condition of those guns. Again, I do not feel the gun is worth big bucks, Unique and fairly rare yes, but still only a Maltby Mark III and maybe just worth some what more then just the average Maltlby. It could even be a museum representative piece. All I wanted to do was just get a collector's educated estimated value of it. I honestly feel it might be worth a little more then a thousand dollar which if so, I would be very happy with, considering I only paid $100, for it ten or fifteen years ago..Ray .

I've been nothing but fair and honest with you in our prior dealings and on my assessment of the rifle Ray. You know this, or at least now it should be double confirmed. I think you're a good fellow. I understand that you have collected a long time and do not wish to put something out there for less than what you can get for it. However, in chasing that extra $50 or $100 you can lose out, be penny rich and pound poor. I know you also understand as being involved in this hobby for a long time that sometimes windows open and close for buyers and sellers. Prices and values are not linear over the short term, e.g., a five year timeline, they go up and down with the economy and other trends. Some things go flat or go down in value. Adjusted for inflation I believe Carcanos may be worth less today than they were in the 1960s. Yet I still like them, which confirms I don't collect with any intellect I may have. If you wish to squeeze every potential nickel out of that rifle, then put it on Gunbonker awkshun. You'll pay an awksun fee and deal with a bunch of lookie loos, tire kickers, and some imbeciles and pay a fee. But hey, as I posted at GB, you may snare two deep pocketed dueling codheads who can't live without the world's rarest Maltby No.4 with a "FNR" stock who will bid it up into the stratosphere Or maybe not and you'll get less. That's the excitement of auction fever I reckon. On GB you said you paid $100 for it ten years ago (which is a deal no matter where you are in the US/GB/Can.) so quibbling over the potential difference in price you're talking about all this time seems a little much, but again, it's your rifle and you can ask whatever you want.
Cheers,
HB

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Well you've fished the forum pretty dry with no more flounder to be caught I suggest you put in on GB and see where it goes rather than flail on here because the horse died of natural causes and the jockey with no horse said eff that I am done.
Anyway good luck with your endevours to sell it I doubt Hambone will be knocking on your door for those trousers unless he likes being drafty........

Heck Cinders, I would have taken the d@mn Luft pants if they would have fit on a torso mannequin or better yet if I could have worn them.