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    Refinishing a lovely old Lady - properly.

    Interesting rifle, a Hobart based Tasmanian Garrison issue. Lovely. The timber is English walnut, and will be exceptionally tough.

    I'm going to describe my understanding and experience, and not pressure anyone to accept my view. I've restored about 25 rifles of vintages from 1900 to 1950, so I've made a few mistakes and learnt a little on the way. Your choice is entirely your own doing.

    The "varnish" is almost certainly Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil. Comes off easily with Polystrippa (Australianicon owner, local products). Off to Bunnings, if you wish. Won't harm timber, won't kill anything, provided you're careful and diligent in following manufacturer's instructions. Paintbrush application, and when bubbled, you can use a firm plastic putty/plaster spatula or scraper (Bunnings has several sizes) and use it with the blade at 90 degrees to timber grain. Once the bulk is off, you can then finish off with a well worked green ScotchBrite Scourer to remove all the coating and gelled gunk. Clean up with a lint free cloth wet with turps.

    Once the timber is nice and dry and clean, you then do the BLOicon/Turps 50/50 application. Again, and again until the timber won't absorb any more. Clean the residual oil off with a turps soaked lint free cloth. Allow to dry.

    You now have a standard Service finish, you haven't sanded, haven't abraded, haven't damaged the timber. You have not detracted form the colour and grain of the timber.

    You can leave it there.

    Or....

    You can go one step further and follow what the Yanks do with their Garands. And it's a great idea and very safe and protective. (Well done Garandicon lovers!)

    Melt pure beeswax (Bunnings, paint aisle) and mix 1/3 ratio of wax, BLOicon and Turps. Allow to cool and solidify.

    Wipe the wax on a small portion of the stock, work sequentially through connected areas, small parts at a time. Say, start on the flat right side of the butt. Wipe a liberal amount of wax compound on the timber, completely covering the area to be worked in one go. Follow the grain. Like planing, work with the grain. Work the wax in until it becomes difficult to rag in.

    When done, here's where the sweat, muscle cramp and hard work comes in. Using the heel of your leading hand, work the wax in in long strokes following the grain. You'll feel that the effort increases as the wood "dries" or actually has the wax worked in to the pores. Keep going until you've got a hot and sore pal heel. The temperature of your skin will tell you how things are going. You're melting the wax and filling pores while this is happening, so no stops to cool down. Defeats the purpose.

    Keep working throughout the entire furniture.

    when you can't wax any more, because it won't absorb, that's it. The finish should be a sheen off matt but not gloss.

    This is a natural protective coating that emulates decades of grease and grime that gets built up in Service. It does not damage the timber or the grain, it protects it with natural lubricants from oil, moisture and grit ingress. And looks brilliant.

    So there you have it, an option.

    Others may disagree and I completely accept their choice to do so.

    But as a means of protective, preserving and highlighting the beauty of the timber, I reckon it's the Dick's Guts.

    I've done a couple of late No 4's in Birch and Beech. The outcome is just brilliant. Not flashy, not glossy, but stops water ingress at the range and makes routine maintenance and cleaning a breeze. And it's replicating Service condition, only cleaner. (The waxy glossy look of old rifles is grime, oil and wax build up anyway)

    Your call as to what to do. And as stated before, I'm not trying to force my view on anyone, only sharing what I've learned, done and like. Again, my thanks to the Garand enthusiasts that described the waxing technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22SqnRAE View Post
    Interesting rifle, a Hobart based Tasmanian Garrison issue. Lovely. The timber is English walnut, and will be exceptionally tough.

    I'm going to describe my understanding and experience, and not pressure anyone to accept my view. I've restored about 25 rifles of vintages from 1900 to 1950, so I've made a few mistakes and learnt a little on the way. Your choice is entirely your own doing.

    The "varnish" is almost certainly Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil. Comes off easily with Polystrippa (Australianicon owner, local products). Off to Bunnings, if you wish. Won't harm timber, won't kill anything, provided you're careful and diligent in following manufacturer's instructions. Paintbrush application, and when bubbled, you can use a firm plastic putty/plaster spatula or scraper (Bunnings has several sizes) and use it with the blade at 90 degrees to timber grain. Once the bulk is off, you can then finish off with a well worked green ScotchBrite Scourer to remove all the coating and gelled gunk. Clean up with a lint free cloth wet with turps.

    Once the timber is nice and dry and clean, you then do the BLOicon/Turps 50/50 application. Again, and again until the timber won't absorb any more. Clean the residual oil off with a turps soaked lint free cloth. Allow to dry.

    You now have a standard Service finish, you haven't sanded, haven't abraded, haven't damaged the timber. You have not detracted form the colour and grain of the timber.

    You can leave it there.

    Or....

    You can go one step further and follow what the Yanks do with their Garands. And it's a great idea and very safe and protective. (Well done Garandicon lovers!)

    Melt pure beeswax (Bunnings, paint aisle) and mix 1/3 ratio of wax, BLOicon and Turps. Allow to cool and solidify.

    Wipe the wax on a small portion of the stock, work sequentially through connected areas, small parts at a time. Say, start on the flat right side of the butt. Wipe a liberal amount of wax compound on the timber, completely covering the area to be worked in one go. Follow the grain. Like planing, work with the grain. Work the wax in until it becomes difficult to rag in.

    When done, here's where the sweat, muscle cramp and hard work comes in. Using the heel of your leading hand, work the wax in in long strokes following the grain. You'll feel that the effort increases as the wood "dries" or actually has the wax worked in to the pores. Keep going until you've got a hot and sore pal heel. The temperature of your skin will tell you how things are going. You're melting the wax and filling pores while this is happening, so no stops to cool down. Defeats the purpose.

    Keep working throughout the entire furniture.

    when you can't wax any more, because it won't absorb, that's it. The finish should be a sheen off matt but not gloss.

    This is a natural protective coating that emulates decades of grease and grime that gets built up in Service. It does not damage the timber or the grain, it protects it with natural lubricants from oil, moisture and grit ingress. And looks brilliant.

    So there you have it, an option.

    Others may disagree and I completely accept their choice to do so.

    But as a means of protective, preserving and highlighting the beauty of the timber, I reckon it's the Dick's Guts.

    I've done a couple of late No 4's in Birch and Beech. The outcome is just brilliant. Not flashy, not glossy, but stops water ingress at the range and makes routine maintenance and cleaning a breeze. And it's replicating Service condition, only cleaner. (The waxy glossy look of old rifles is grime, oil and wax build up anyway)

    Your call as to what to do. And as stated before, I'm not trying to force my view on anyone, only sharing what I've learned, done and like. Again, my thanks to the Garand enthusiasts that described the waxing technique.
    Thank you for your very informative reply

    You have given me much food for thought.

    The beeswax option is tempting, but at the same time, daunting.

    Let me muse on this...

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    [QUOTE=Fruler;455107]I think it looks great as is. Just be sure you have the experience to take on the job. Congratulations on your purchase, beautiful rifle.[/QUOT

    Thanks ! It us a lovely rifle and the wood is exceptional. You dont see nice wood like that anymore.

    ---------- Post added at 03:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:53 PM ----------

    [QUOTE=Fruler;455107]I think it looks great as is. Just be sure you have the experience to take on the job. Congratulations on your purchase, beautiful rifle.[/QUOT

    Thanks ! It us a lovely rifle and the wood is exceptional. You dont see nice wood like that anymore.

    ---------- Post added at 03:55 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:54 PM ----------

    [QUOTE=Fruler;455107]I think it looks great as is. Just be sure you have the experience to take on the job. Congratulations on your purchase, beautiful rifle.[/QUOT

    Thanks ! It us a lovely rifle and the wood is exceptional. You dont see nice wood like that anymore.

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    Florey55,

    Thanks, just sharing what I've leaned, tried and seen. The motivation is preservation of the rifle in valid condition, while protecting. The timber gets a much better look when waxed, than just oiled. But, as stated, it's your rifle, and I'm not about to tell you what you "have" to do!

    Can share a couple of photos of recent works to show you how it can result, if interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 22SqnRAE View Post
    Florey55,

    Thanks, just sharing what I've leaned, tried and seen. The motivation is preservation of the rifle in valid condition, while protecting. The timber gets a much better look when waxed, than just oiled. But, as stated, it's your rifle, and I'm not about to tell you what you "have" to do!

    Can share a couple of photos of recent works to show you how it can result, if interested.
    Please do. I would live to see them. Now I have a question about linseed oilicon. Why would you use a 50/50 oil and turps mix as opposed to just oil. Or the quick drying linseed oilicon? The one with the drying additives. Im really curious about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobD View Post
    Here's a more lazy suggestion:
    Whilst I fully agree with the advice about wax, for such an early rifle the semi-gloss finish it has right now doesn't seem like a major crime.
    And the wood grain really looks nice. The glint of the camera may be making it appear glossier than it is - the finish in the last picture in your series [showing the fore stock] looks absolutely spot-on to me.
    So... you could try rubbing it and buffing it with beeswax [or another microcrystalline wax] to get a finish approaching the effect 22SqnRAE describes, but without doing any of the stripping... anyway, that's what I'd do first of all...
    Thanks for your input Rod. What you suggested makes a lot of sense. But I would, with the aid of the carpet steamer recently bought to help with rust blueing (have just done my P14), love to get rid of most of the wood dents.
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    [QUOTE=Florey55;455162]Now I have a question about linseed oil. Why would you use a 50/50 oil and turps mix as opposed to just oil. Or the quick drying linseed oil? The one with the drying additives. Im really curious about this.[COLOR="black"]


    F55,

    A good question. When Service Rifle furniture is made, it's rough finished with medium/coarse belt sanding to keep the splinters to minimum. Consequently, most timber is fairly open grained. The usual method of treatment for furniture is being immersed in warm linseed oil for about half an hour, give or take, then drip draining above the warm tanks while the next batch are dipped. The linseed oil is warm to reduce viscosity and aid penetration in the timber to beyond the base of pores.

    The cutting of BLOicon with turps is simply like paint thinner. A less viscous oil will penetrate deeper and the turps is volatile so will evaporate off. It makes application quicker and easier. You'll note that around the neck of a BLOicon bottle, there will be a build up of crusty gunk, or dried BLO. Raw linseed oil will dry out, not as quick and won't crystallise the same. Turps helps with this thickening and gets the BLO to 'go further, quicker.' A stock that's been properly stripped and dried out will take about 4-6 coats of BLO. It can be more, depending on your timber. If using neat oil, then this will require warmth and time. You need to leave the timber in the sun to warm up and allow the oil to both seep in and 'dry' off. This takes several days to complete. Turps helps this process by allowing the oil to go deeper first and dry off quicker. The 4-6 coats of BLO and turps can be done in two days in the warmer months, no problems. That's better than a week or two.

    Boiled linseed oil has the additives and modified molecular structure that allows it to dry quicker. It's not instantaneous, but far shorter than raw linseed. A pure traditionalist will poo-hah the "cheat's" way of using BLO, and good on them. The end result, when done repetitiously and carefully, is the same. and when it comes to maintenance that one needs to do every quarter, then a gentle light wipe of BLO and turps sinks in quickly where it needs to, pools where it doesn't and dries off much quicker than raw.

    Each to their own, but I like the speed and control of cut BLO.

    I've tried Tung Oil that the Garandicon boys like, and find this OK for the initial coat or two, but finish with BLO. Again, choice. Tung is easier to work with when the timber is bare and dry, but I like the more viscous BLO to "fill up" the pores in the timber to water/dust/particle proof the timber.
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    Off to Bunnings tomorrow to get some beeswax. ( To all you non-Australians, it's a major hardware chain ).

    Question : Will one of these bars be enough for a complete SMLE stock set, or should I get more?

    Thanks, Lenny.

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    Lenny,

    Heaps! You'll do three rifles with that The trick is to use enough to fill the pores, not clog up your working.

    Recall that it's being cut with 1/3 portion of oil and turps, so will fill up an old boot polish tin no worries.

    This is a good therapy session, probably a good thing to do in front of the telly at night. It takes a while and you need a few breaks as the heel of the palm gets hot and sore! You don't use an awful lot in the process, surprisingly.

    Let us know how it turns out.

    Will post some comparison photos this arvo.
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