NO 4 MK1 (T) VERIFICATION

[Alan de Enfield]

the but stock numbers are not correct.

The 4T was supplied by H&H with a 'N' length butt only, if, when it was issued, the sniper required as 'S' or 'L' length then it would be changed by an Armourer and would then be down to the armourer to number / mark it up 'if he wanted to'.



Copy of extract from the 1944 Components list

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[Surpmil]

The 4T was supplied by H&H with a 'N' length butt only, if, when it was issued, the sniper required as 'S' or 'L' length then it would be changed by an Armourer and would then be down to the armourer to number / mark it up 'if he wanted to'.

Copy of extract from the 1944 Components list

The "fine adjustment backsight" reference is slightly odd, since it was simply a standard No.4 Rifle backsight!
A conscious or unconscious hold-over from the description of the No.3 MkI*(T) presumably.

[RobD]

There's something about the engraved serial number font which looks a bit European, e.g. German... is it just me? Did the European nations e.g. Germany receive any No 4 (T)s after the war?

[Alan de Enfield]

The "fine adjustment backsight" reference is slightly odd, since it was simply a standard No.4 Rifle backsight!
A conscious or unconscious hold-over from the description of the No.3 MkI*(T) presumably.

Guesswork :

Maybe it was to ensure that they were only supplied with the Mk1 sight, rather than the MK2, 3 or 4 which may have been used at the time.

[TRAMO]

It did come through Ishapor at some point because it has the screw. could it have been FTR there?

[Bindi2]

It did come through Ishapor at some point because it has the screw. could it have been FTR there?

The screw is a British thing, just the Indians did it more.
The Aussies did it as well and they used big bolts too.

[TRAMO]

according to the Laidler and Skennerton book page 58 the rear sight on mine is correct . It appears to be Identicle to page 58.

[Roger Payne]

One thing nobody has commented on yet, & which is puzzling me, is the fact that whilst the rifle serial has been re-engraved (granted, I'm making an assumption, & I know it is an assumption, that the original s/n has been reapplied, not a different one), the rifle has been re-bolted, the new bolt being professionally numbered, but the rifle itself, has not been fully refinished. I would have expected that if the rifle had been through UK ordnance it would have been refinished by bead-blasting, parkerising, & suncoriting, at the same time (presumably) that the bolt was replaced & the serial picked out. Yet the finish on the body looks typical late war textured 'brunofixing', but if you look at the 3rd photo in post 7, you can see quite clearly that the surface of the butt socket has been cleaned up smooth. Note also on the next photo you can see the linishing on the bolt body, presumably to remove a previous rifle's serial, before this rifle's number was engraved upon it. I would have thought that in UK service that would have merited a phossing & blacking, & in Indian service a six inch thick coat of Dulux Magicote black gloss! Having said that, whoever rematched the bolt & reapplied the serial number did a very neat job of it & was a decent engraver.

But your rifle is a genuine 4T TRAMO, it just has a history to it that is interesting to try to piece together.....