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    Not often you see the leather tool case for the BAR in a pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge1998 View Post
    Not often you see the leather tool case for the BAR in a pic.
    Holdovers from WW1. Marines got all the old gear...

    Oiling ammo, pretty funny. Not very likely.
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    I recall reading for a short time at the national matches(1903 rifle) they were dipping the tips of bullets into oil, concept similar to molly coated bullets. This devolved into soldiers dipping the whole 5 round clip in oil. Brass cases failed to grip the chamber walls , bolt lugs cracked and people were injured which ended the practice. Our above caption is most likely the caption writer not knowing what he is talking about.

    In early development of the garand there were thoughts of lubricating cases with wax also the experimental m1924 Garandicon rifle had a internal oiling pad. see page 64 of Canfield's garand book. Bob S. can expand on this further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester View Post
    Our above caption is most likely the caption writer not knowing what he is talking about.
    Agreed, it raises pressures radically...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester View Post
    there were thoughts of lubricating cases with wax also the experimental m1924 Garandicon rifle had a internal oiling pad.
    I remember those stories too, and the practices all went by the wayside.
    Regards, Jim

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    Early BAR as the early cut-down

    fore-end with cut checkering is visible plus the trigger housing has the magazine guides attached, rebuilt BAR from pre war period

    ammo for the BAR comes in 20 rd boxes or five round stripper clips (there is a magazine loader for clipped cartridges).

    I have seen M1icon rifle ciips unloaded to load BAR magazines with 16 rds per magazine when boxed or clipped ammo was not available

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    there is a magazine loader for clipped cartridges).
    I had a couple, they're hard enough you could stand on them and not bend them.

    Quote Originally Posted by RCS View Post
    fore-end with cut checkering is visible plus the trigger housing has the magazine guides attached
    I had a Marlin Rockwell, those early guns were a Machine Rifle and beautiful. By the time they came out with NESA they were plow parts...rough as guts.
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    BAR magazine guide

    photo shows magazine guide to load with five round M1903 stripper clips into the BAR magazine.Attachment 110962

    never a common accessory to find

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    Oiling

    Yes, extraction was a major problem in early autoloaders. Garandicon's Primer guns had oil pads in the mag well, and Pederson's rifle used waxed bullets. JCG solved it with his turning bolt that "unscrewed" the casing. It was a major plus in the 1931 competition that killed the Pederson and led to the adoption of the Garand.
    Real men measure once and cut.

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    A few BAR specific items I have left. The magazine on the left is a new Ohio Ordinance product as are several other parts, several I picked up on line or gun shows.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Rochester View Post
    I recall reading for a short time at the national matches(1903 rifle) they were dipping the tips of bullets into oil, concept similar to molly coated bullets. This devolved into soldiers dipping the whole 5 round clip in oil. Brass cases failed to grip the chamber walls , bolt lugs cracked and people were injured which ended the practice. Our above caption is most likely the caption writer not knowing what he is talking about.
    I made the mistake once of not patching out dry before I shot. Although I didn't notice anything whilst shooting, It took me forever to get the bore to look clean - like burnt grease on a frying pan that doesn't come up no matter how hard or what you scrub it with. After a week I finally discovered JB bore paste.
    I would imagine oiling bullets has a similar effect of burnt oil.

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