Ammo Shortage ? Primers ? See Video's

[painter777]

Please NO Politics

After seeing multiple GB auctions with 2 bricks of WRA small rifle primers selling for over $525+ not counting Shipping/Hazmat fees I started looking over Youtube videos to see what people were saying, when I ran across this:

A Message From Federal, CCI, Speer And Remington President Jason Vanderbrink On Ammo Demand

I Just watched this video from Dec 2020. Best to use CC= Closed caption so you catch it all.
In part it says:

"There are 7 Million New shooters since March (2020) times 2 boxes of ammunition which is a conservative estimate is 700 Million new rounds of Ammunition our 3 factories have to help produce that is impossible to do in 9 months......."

He goes on about having to train many new hires, getting raw materials in and dealing with the Covid situation.



Below Newer Updated video from Jan 21-2021 with 'Some' explanation of why reloading components aren't available because they are being used for current production. So this is why there are no 'Extras to sell'

JMO, But if some of those primers became available to the reloading market they might alleviate some of the pressure on the ammo market. Surely some are trying to buy complete ammo because they can't get ahold of the re-load components they need.

Anyone recall Reports of Price Gouging $ Fines/Arrests during the toilet paper shortage ?
How and Who do we reach out to about Ammo Price Gouging ?
A Walmart employee we know told us they had a few pallets of Ammo in back but weren't allowed to stock the shelves, said Corporate Orders ?

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[CINDERS]

We are in dire straights here as well shortages all around as ADI has to honour its conractural powder obligations to the US so powder for Australian shooters is drying up and its the same with projies/primers/cases may be 12 - 18 months or more before we even see an improvement.

[browningautorifle]

This is my third or fourth famine of this sort in recent memory.

[USGI]

Watched both videos this morning. CC worked fine on the first one, but shows in Italian for the second. Something makes me want to blame Ovidio! Anyone else have this problem? I can't figure out how to see the CC in English. - Bob

[MSW2]

Explosion in our local propellant manufacturing facility in 2019 if I recall the date correctly. Repairs not completed yet. Now we have to rely on imported products that cost more and will be more difficult to import if the places we import from are experiencing supply difficulties

[painter777]

Watched both videos this morning. CC worked fine on the first one, but shows in Italian for the second. Something makes me want to blame Ovidio! Anyone else have this problem? I can't figure out how to see the CC in English. - Bob

Had to be Ovidio
I see he watched it on the 24th at 11:36am.
I changed the setting back to American.
Try it now

ETA: Still not right...... I can't figure it out. Is what it is I guess.

[painter777]

Explosion in our local propellant manufacturing facility in 2019 if I recall the date correctly. Repairs not completed yet. Now we have to rely on imported products that cost more and will be more difficult to import if the places we import from are experiencing supply difficulties

MSW2,
I'm sure Covid isn't helping either.
Where was the plant located ?

[ssgross]

Anyone recall Reports of Price Gouging $ Fines/Arrests during the toilet paper shortage ?
How and Who do we reach out to about Ammo Price Gouging ?

Before reaching out, I would suggest some careful homework on the definition of price gouging. I won't try to be another internet expert, but may try some common sense.
Everyone wants to cry foul and price gouging when they can't get what they want except at an auction site from the "evil hoarders". It certainly sucks when auctions are the ONLY place something exists anymore, but it's not price gouging. On the other hand, selling bottled water at $20 a bottle in New Orleans right after a hurricane, when it costs 50 cents everywhere else in the country...that is price gouging.
I have heard of small businesses that can't get supply enough to stay open liquidating inventory on gunbroker at the outrageous profits to avoid going under just a bit longer. How is that price gouging? Tell me where you can still find primers on the shelf at the usual $35 a brick, so I can open a claim against the guy on gunbroker for gouging that price. My local diner tripled the price of my bacon&eggs&shortstack combo since business is slow for this season and they don't want to fire anyone. Can you tell me how to open a price gouging claim against them?

"...C'mon Man..."

I hate being the negative person on this. I know it sucks for everyone right now. I thank God every day that I still have a job in the midst of all this. I have been tipping my waitress at 100%, and gave my government stimulus checks to my church's food pantry...and I have bought primers on gunbroker and I'm grateful they were there and that I can still go shooting whenever I want.
Maybe before filing a price gouging claim against a gunbroker seller - If you have ammo take a friend shooting who doesn't. If you don't have ammo, be a better friend so your friend will take you shooting. I have no real friends here in this swamp where I live - I'll take you shooting painter!

[Matt_X]

Am I allowed to post here?
I posted earlier about how Remington's situation plays into the shortage.

[ssgross]

I took my own medicine and did some homework myself. In this case I weirdly found wikipedia to be the best summation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
Sounds like if there is a worldwide constraint on the supply of primers (e.g. NO primers being supplied for sale by themselves from any manufacturer), and demand is through the roof in at least 1 country, than the going auction price is the only fair/reasonable offer for sale in existance.
The economics of the ammo crisis are very different from the toilet paper crisis. I'm sure that will be my next rant - I'll just say we we were a day or so away from all out "family cloth" https://www.buzzfeed.com/terripous/w...-you-use-it-an, and were rescued by a surprise UPS shipment of charmin from my brother-in-law who lived in a mostly unaffected area of the country.