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ROCK GCA Article On M1 Clip 04-29-2021, 12:22 AM
Eaglelord17 I recently got myself a Type... 04-29-2021, 11:28 AM
ROCK Never thought of it that way.... 05-04-2021, 11:00 PM
Bob Seijas Many GIs said they valued the... 05-06-2021, 09:30 AM
ROCK I've read that in official... 05-07-2021, 12:28 AM
Rick B Rock, What Bob is saying is... 05-08-2021, 09:41 PM
ROCK Understood Rick. I was... 05-08-2021, 11:21 PM
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browningautorifle "Surrounded by the enemy" ... 05-09-2021, 03:48 PM
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ROCK I suppose it might work in a... 05-11-2021, 12:38 AM
ROCK I found an interesting... 05-11-2021, 12:55 AM
25-5 If I was deaf, I think a... 05-11-2021, 03:02 PM
browningautorifle Where'd you find that one Bob? 05-11-2021, 01:34 PM
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browningautorifle It's a very interesting... 05-11-2021, 01:37 PM
cpc I know the Mondragon had an... 05-12-2021, 10:33 AM
Mark in Rochester Respected military historians... 05-20-2021, 07:13 PM
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Gilevi 1) the ping It may have... 05-20-2021, 07:53 PM
browningautorifle Very much so and not so much... 05-21-2021, 05:12 AM
Mark in Rochester Entia non sunt multiplicanda... 05-21-2021, 11:37 AM
Bob Womack Occam's razor: "entities... 05-21-2021, 09:32 PM
ROCK That's a very interesting... 05-23-2021, 02:05 AM
Bob Seijas Amen. The ping allegation is... 05-21-2021, 08:56 PM
Daan Kemp The army works in sections,... 05-21-2021, 01:55 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    Why do we go through this whole thing about the M1icon ping over and over...?
    Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

    No more things should be presumed to exist than are absolutely necessary.

    The simple explanation is that both cases are true in a full scale push it is very unlikely to hear the ping yet if a soldier is isolated it can be an issue.

    The problem come in when it is absolutely held that it is an either or proposition both are true



    http://thegca.org/wp-content/uploads...52-reduced.pdf

    Page 5 #10. The noise caused by ejection of the empty clip from the M-1, despite the fact that at close range it could be heard by the enemy, was considered valuable by the rifleman as a signal to reload


    The Ml's Tactical Advantage?

    The "Question & Answer" on "The Ml 's 'Deadly Defect?'" (November 2011, p. 42) reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad regarding the Ml Garand and its clip during WorldWar II. I just got off the phone with my dad to confirm his Garand clip experiences. His name is Robert Emary, and he served in I Company, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, l0lst Airborne Division. When the war ended, he was a technical sergeant and first sergeant for the company. He was a replacement and fought from Market Garden to Berchtesgarten.

    According to him, at Bastogne it was very common practice to bait the Germans by squeezing and releasing an empty clip to get the "ping," and a lot of times an enemy would stand up, and that was the end of them. Initially, the Germans always seemed to know the exact time to expose themselves to put accurate fire on someone who had just emptied their Garand. He and his comrades knew the Germans could hear the clips coming out and also figured they were counting rounds. This happened pretty regularly at Bastogne, he said, because there were a lot of close-range engagements in the woods and dug in positions. Also, he always carried a couple empty clips in his field jacket pocket and would simply squeeze the clip, let it slide out of his fingers, hit the ground and be ready to shoot. After they started doing this, the Germans got a lot more cautious.

    He also told me some of the other tactics they used. When they were badly outnumbered, which was almost all the time, the Browning Automatic Rifleman would initially never fire other than a couple semi-automatic rounds. They were baiting the Germans and trying to get a number of them to get bold and expose themselves. When this happened the BAR man would let them have it. He said this was very effective and several times got them out of some bad situations. ~

    DAVE EMARY, NEBRASKA

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