Covid News Around the World One Year Later

[Daan Kemp]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But. Heard recently of smallpox, mumps, polio, rubella, etc infections? No? Some vaccinations work. Makes sense to me to take all the precautions, including vaccination. Especially those nearest and dearest.

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[rcathey]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But. Heard recently of smallpox, mumps, polio, rubella, etc infections? No? Some vaccinations work. Makes sense to me to take all the precautions, including vaccination. Especially those nearest and dearest.

Amen!

[Aragorn243]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But. Heard recently of smallpox, mumps, polio, rubella, etc infections? No? Some vaccinations work. Makes sense to me to take all the precautions, including vaccination. Especially those nearest and dearest.

Covid is none of those diseases, the "vaccine" is not a vaccine. It is similar to a flu shot. It may or may not work, it will have to be changed every time Covid mutates. It is also completely untested for long term effects. It takes about 5 years for a vaccine to be approved, this was rushed, it remains for emergency use only. Children are in no emergency, this disease barely affects them.

[rcathey]

If it’s not a vaccine, and vaccines take about 5 years to be approved, then how long does it take, let’s say, a flu shot to get approved?

[Aragorn243]

If it’s not a vaccine, and vaccines take about 5 years to be approved, then how long does it take, let’s say, a flu shot to get approved?

The flu has been around for 102 years, it's the Spanish Flu from 1918. It mutated and there are numerous strains of it circulating the globe. The flu shot has been around for quite a while and with it they have to take an educated guess as to what strain is going to be prevalent where, say the US that season and that's what they put into the flu shot for that region. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don't or more than one strain is in the region at the same time that they did not anticipate. The effectiveness of the flu shot is not for a lifetime, the body just doesn't retain the anti-bodies longer than a few years.

Covid now has four different strains. The "vaccine" was designed for the first and it was only about 85% or so effective against that. They say it is close to the same with the first two mutations but not the Delta or Indian variant where it is closer to 45% effective. But even with this, it lessons the severity of the illness, just as a flu shot will against the wrong variant.

Vaccines can't be made for things that mutate. A vaccine also normally gives the individual a lifetime immunity against that which it protects against, they have no idea how long the Covid shot is effective. Diseases like the mumps, smallpox, etc are effectively protected against by vaccines. They don't mutate and it is believed that there is a lifetime immunity against them. They actually stopped immunizing against smallpox because they believe it to be eliminated worldwide which it isn't because both the US and Russian governments have stockpiles of it in labs. I also read that it may only be effective for 50 years meaning even us old folks could be threatened by smallpox if some nation not as honorable as others, say China, and who have little qualms about releasing a virus on the rest of the world, like China would get their hands on some smallpox vials from an underfunded, understaffed, corrupt Russian lab.

[rcathey]

It kinda sounds like your entire issue with the Covid “shot” is based in semantics. It’s an injection that offers people protection (even up to 45% against delta, which it wasn’t even designed for, according to your source) from a potentially deadly virus — call it whatever you wish I suppose. But people should be encouraged to get it.

I’ve seen a lot of posts in this thread I haven’t necessarily agreed with but have tried to just stay away. I couldn’t any longer when I thought (thought…appears now I was wrong) that the use of a potentially life saving “injection” was being discouraged.

The reason mutations like delta exists and was able to take hold is because people were hesitant to get the “injection” for whatever reason yet continues to ignore all the other safety precautions. It’s pretty simple, the more people that are infected, the more chance for mutation.

[Aragorn243]

It kinda sounds like your entire issue with the Covid “shot” is based in semantics. It’s an injection that offers people protection (even up to 45% against delta, which it wasn’t even designed for, according to your source) from a potentially deadly virus — call it whatever you wish I suppose. But people should be encouraged to get it.

The reason mutations like delta exists and was able to take hold is because people were hesitant to get the “injection” for whatever reason yet continues to ignore all the other safety precautions. It’s pretty simple, the more people that are infected, the more chance for mutation.

Not exactly, I prefer the truth. People believe when they are vaccinated they are protected from the disease. As this is not a vaccine, that is incorrect. The reluctance to get the shot stems from a complete lack of openness about this "vaccine". It has side effects, it has killed many people, it has caused miscarriages and yes these things happen with true vaccines all the time. But in this one instance, they are denying it is happening. Throw that in with Bill Gates involvement (a known population control proponent) and people don't trust it at all. Tell the truth. When a million people are vaccinated, one or .0001% may die. This is actually the rate of death for the smallpox vaccine. Compare that with the death rate from smallpox of 30% and you have a substantial incentive to be vaccinated to prevent it. Now it has been essentially eradicated from the world. This will never occur with Covid.

We do have an idea of the death rate from Covid, for those under 50 it is very low, lower than the seasonal flu. For those over 50, the rate increases with age. Under 65, it's still pretty low, over 75 and it becomes very high but even at that age, the survival rate is close to 95%. It is not as deadly as many people believe it is.

We have no idea of the death rate from the "vaccine" because they are not telling us, they are denying there are complications from it which we know to be false. There have been over 5000 deaths attributed to the vaccine in the US alone out of about 350 million doses administered. That isn't people, it's shots as it takes two for anyone other than the J&J. and not everyone has gotten two that were supposed to. The CDC has not found a direct link between any of those 5000 and the vaccine, not a single one they will state actually died as a result of the vaccine. Even though they were healthy before the shot and not after receiving it which is why it was reported to the VARS system. England has had similar results. These reporting systems have been shut down, the studies ended, etc. Just makes you wonder.

As for lifesaving, yes, for those over the age of 50. For those under the age of 50, it isn't needed. The death rate for those under 50 is a fraction of what it is for the common flu and there has never been any mandate to get the flu shot. This drive for under 50 and now for under 18 again creates distrust.

And finally, those that get the "vaccine" still get infected so it makes zero difference in the rate of mutation. Roughly half of the new cases are among those that already have been vaccinated. I saw a report over the weekend on network news that the viral load, the amount of the virus carried by those who were vaccinated is twice as large as those who were not vaccinated. Scientifically, this makes little sense to me but it is a great excuse to make everyone wear a mask again.

And the mask issue hasn't helped either. Masks do nothing against this disease or it's spread. Mandatory mask usage has actually been shown to increase the case load in some areas rather than decrease it. Then they told us we get vaccinated, we don't need to wear the useless mask anymore yet they are now reinstituting the mask requirements, despite no evidence they actually do anything.

And finally, they want people who have had Covid already to get vaccinated. Why? There is no reason to, they already have the anti-bodies which the vaccine is supposed to create. This is true with nearly every disease out there. This creates the image that there is something more to the vaccine than protecting against the disease.

Haven't you wondered how they have all these new statistics stating that the vast majority of cases are now the Delta variant? There is no test being given for the Delta variant. It takes a very specialized and expensive test to make this determination and they are not doing it with all these people. They are still using the PCR test which is being withdrawn because it is inaccurate in December.

I'm not against the "vaccine", my wife and I were both vaccinated pretty early on when they were approved, late March. My oldest children were also vaccinated. My youngest have decided to not get vaccinated and I don't have a problem with that decision. I'm more worried about them getting it than not getting it.

I think the mask mandates are incredibly stupid, the attempts to make children wear them even more so. They tried masks with the Spanish Flu and Fauci himself wrote an article about how the masks actually increased the rate of death back then. Fauci also did not want us wearing masks at the beginning of this outbreak one of the few times he was being truthful.

[ssgross]

The reason mutations like delta exists and was able to take hold is because people were hesitant to get the “injection” for whatever reason yet continues to ignore all the other safety precautions. It’s pretty simple, the more people that are infected, the more chance for mutation.

Respiratory virus vaccines, like covid and the yearly flu, do not prevent infection. They only give the body a head start, whereby the infection never makes it to symptomatic illness. This used to be a well known fact. Vaccinated people are still being infected, still testing positive, still transmitting it to everyone else, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, and the virus will continue to mutate just like the annual flu does. It's always been the case that many people only hear what they want to hear, sad that now we only hear what we are told to hear.

[Gil Boyd]

Looking forward to the annual Flu injection+ no doubt will incorporate lots of extra things!!

Shame they don't give us oldies a McDonalds FREE meal to ensure you have the injection or a FREE Colonel Sanders Kentucky meal, or a FREE cinema ticket...................Only in the UK, true story.............................unbelievable

[ssgross]

Heard recently of smallpox, mumps, polio, rubella, etc infections? No?

well, yes, but a different matter altogether.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/30/near...past-year.html