Cartridges

[CINDERS]

I thought I should clarify the difference between the Sako 5.7 x 43 against a regular .223 to clear up if ppl think it is the same as the .223 or 5.56 rounds.
So I dug out a packet of Bentley Sporting .223 and compared it to the Sako round and as you can tell there is a vast difference in the two rounds.
I included a pic of the packet as you don't see them around to often plus Bentley made more than just cars and shotguns.

Pic # 1 ~ .223 on the left Sako 5.7 x 43 on the right.
Pic # 2 ~ Bentley packet of 20 rounds .223 sporting ammunition.

[RCS]

The 5,7x43 is the metric designation for 222 Remington and the metric designation for 223 Remington is 5,7x45mm

Now the 222 Remington has almost disappeared from the target shooters and hunters, but still an excellent cartridge

[CINDERS]

One of our club shooters has a 222 Mag that he shot at the club on the shorter ranges 100 - 300m but I have not seen him use it for quite some years now.

[RCS]

Most are familiar with the 7,62mm Russian Nagant revolver cartridge, adopted by Russia in 1895 - but before the Russian cartridge there was the 8 mm Piper revolver cartridge

The 8mm piper (8,4x40r) was adopted by Mexico in 1893 with both the revolver and revolver carbine. The Mexican Rurales used the revolver carbine on horseback as it could be operated with only one hand.

While quite popular in Mexico few ever came across the border to the USA where it was almost unknown. Both Winchester and Remington manufacture the 8 mm Piper cartridge for sale in Mexico

The Piper fired a 106gr FMJ at 1150 fps (Remington loading) and also had a three round ball load with a total weight of 133 grs. Remington loaded the 8mm Piper from 1901 to 1921.

My photos show both the 7,62 Nagant and 8mm Piper which is the longer cartridge

[browningautorifle]

Neat old revolving carbine. That would give quite a high rate of fire in close quarters from a body of troops...

[CINDERS]

My metrics lined up the very tall one is the NIMROD 9.3mm x 82mm on its left is the Schuler 11.2mm x 72mm there are some that were not part of the thread like the Kropatschek cartridge the Arisaka 6.5mm as most of you are familiar with those rounds.

I will get some of my wildcat rounds out some you may not have seen or known about so in a bit then.

[RCS]

That is really a nice photo of your metric cartridges. I noticed the 6,5 Japanese (9th from right side) but which cartridge is the Kropatscek ?

[CINDERS]

I thought it was the one 4th from the Rt but its rim does not look like a Kropatschek cartridge I'll dig the round back out and see if I can identify it I apologise for my error.

So in searching around I found I apparently have a 7.7 Jap 13th from the Rt as that round has no H/S! I'm learning all the time with this pass time.

[RCS]

my guess, the the 4th from left is 8x50R Mannlicher and 4th from right is 8x56R

my 6,5 Jap and 7,7 Jap on five round clips are without headstamps

The Jap 7,7 for their Lewis m/g has headstamps as mine is 1943 and will chamber in a Lee Enfield too
but would never think to fire it.

[RCS]

I found in my small wildcat cartridge collection, a basic cartridge case with the SUPER X 300 WIN MAG head stamp. What is interesting is this case has both a belt and a rim which is not normally found on a cartridge. This case length is 2.85 inches with a 1/2 inch inside diameter at the case mouth.

This could be made into the 458 Lott and similar cartridges which would also include the 475 OKH etc.