They shot Trump

[Aragorn243]

I'm thinking the guy further back is the one that fired the killing shot. The front guy no, he definitely jerks back. It is really hard to tell as it all happens so fast. The 3 minute denial thing is fake but it still doesn't explain why these two did not take him out. What orders did they have. They were sighted in on him, both of them, and they had to see the rifle. AR's sit up pretty high, especially with a scope on it.

They have said that what he was wearing was similar to what some of the security details had but still no excuse here.

"Eventually, however, Crooks made it up onto the roof with DPMS AR-15 5.56 rifle, which authorities recovered at the scene. It had been purchased legally by his father more than a decade ago, according to law enforcement sources."

Finally, a definitive answer on the rifle.

[jond41403]

Hey surpmil, where did you see the picture of the dead shooter in such great detail?

[Aragorn243]

I have a photo, not sure I can see everything that surpmil says he can see in it but I'm inclined not to post it because frankly, it's pretty gross. They have him rolled over on his left side showing just his head and face. There is a 1 inch wide congealed track of blood going from the back of his head below his ear to his nose. It looks like he has a bad tooth or possibly a tooth was shot out on the right side of his mouth. There is a steam of blood coming out of his right ear and another stream coming from the back of his head through his hairline and across his forehead. I can determine no entry or exit wound and only see indications of one in the back of the head. Based on angle of the shot I'm aware of, entry wound should be on the left side of his forehead or temple which I can't see. It would be small, probably not a lot of blood from it.

Upon magnification, it is possible the entry wound is through his upper lip on the left side, quite a bit of congealed blood there and it would explain the tooth perhaps. It might not be a tooth either but a piece of debris.

I don't know where I found it, it was from yesterday. I can't find it today, possibly scrubbed. I do have it however but again, reluctant to post or upload to imgur. I don't want to lose my account for some stupid privacy issue.

In additional news, it appears that the building from which the sniper was on the roof was the headquarters for the State Police sniper team. They were inside. The new theory on why the Secret Service snipers did not take him out is because they thought it may have been a State Police sniper on the roof. Poor communication and poor actions by the State Police.

[Sapper740]

I can determine no entry or exit wound and only see indications of one in the back of the head. Based on angle of the shot I'm aware of, entry wound should be on the left side of his forehead or temple which I can't see. It would be small, probably not a lot of blood from it.

The entrance wound is just to the right of his Left eye. I'm printing copies of this for a poster in my Man cave.

[Aragorn243]

OK, I see it now. I agree that's the entry wound.

Additional information, word of mouth but significant to me because I'm a coach.

He tried out for and was turned down for the High School Rifle team. I did some research to find more out about this, they shoot 22's, probably prone as they have a max of 100 points in a match and score 8 for the match. My leagues uses air rifles and scores 5 for the match, we are also only prone.

He apparently fired one shot from the extreme right side lane and hit the wall on the left side lane. This is not a bad shot, NO ONE is that bad of a shot. This is poor finger control and hitting the trigger while getting into position. I have never had anyone hit any target further than the one to their immediate left or right as they got confused as to which target they were aiming at. He was probably kicked off for a flagrant safety violation. Air rifles, you might get stung, some slight penetration, with 22's, you could be dead.

This report is from two fellow students who also tried out for and made the rifle team.

[Ovidio]

sSGross I was just thinking that the situation was strange enough…
Then I realised that the “running mate” of Trump is the guy who wrote “Hillbilly Elegy”, about which we talked about.
Well… that guy can’t be bad in my opinion. But I’m almost neutral in this matter, besides gun policy.

[ssgross]

Then I realised that the “running mate” of Trump is the guy who wrote “Hillbilly Elegy”, about which we talked about.
Well… that guy can’t be bad in my opinion

Yes. Growing in rural Ohio not too far north of Middletown where the book takes place, and around the same time, I certainly related to, and appreciated his book. As a politician though, I think there are still many open questions. I will keep my thoughts to myself for now, for 2 reasons: This isn't the forum for it, and he doesn't really have a record yet of any significance to analyze.

I would appreciate if someone would post a link to the detailed picture of the shooter on the roof post-mortem. I understand some might not want to see it, but for those who would like to analyze it, it would be nice to know where to find them. I was able to find one, but I don't think it's the same as you all found, and it seems cropped/edited for the article I found it in. The one I found is in this article:
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*****://***ibtimes.sg/thomas-matthew-crooks-explosive-devices-found-trump-shooters-car-it-revealed-gun-used-attack-75282

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[jond41403]

I found it on Reddit, from a user r/TheCapitalLink. I typed in on reddit's main page Trump shooter postmortem picture

[ssgross]

I haven't found a picture of the rifle yet either. I'm curios to know if he was using an optic, red dot, etc.
One report I heard said those earliest sightings from spectators had him using a rangefinder, no rifle visible.

[Flying10uk]

But this wasn't the police, this was the secret service!

Why did they have "Police" on their vests then if they were "Secret Service" (counter snipers)?

There does sound like an element of too many agencies involved and perhaps a breakdown in communication between them.