Lyman M-Die anyone?

[M1Tommy]

I like "M" neck expanding dies well enough to have made the concept work in the Dillon 550 powder feed tube / expander sleeve. Scads easier to start bullets straight!

Thanks for the reply.
I just ordered 3 of them from Graf & Sons, the only company beside Lyman with them in stock.

Tommy

[MK111]

I have been using Lyman "M" dies for 40 plus years. They are the best as they go deeper in the case also the put a set for the bullet to seat in and bevel the mouth of the case for seating the bullet. In fact I use one in my Dillon 1050 set up for .223. I took the rifle decapping pin out of the sizing die and put in a straight pistol decapping rod. The Old style short Lyman "M" die goes in the third station after the power drop and since it is shorter it doesn't go down into the powder. I can seat the bullet in the slight step left by the "M" die. The seating die smooths out the expanded step. There is no lost of accuracy as my varimet rifles all shot less than 1/2" AT 100 YDS. Plus there is the added plus since the expanded is not pulling out of the sized case and the cases don't stretch as much and a lot less trimming is needed. I do this as I can do 1000 plus rounds an hour on the Dillon 1050 and I don't get my bad left hand fingers in the way when seating the bullet.

[M1Tommy]

I have been using Lyman "M" dies for 40 plus years. They are the best as they go deeper in the case also the put a set for the bullet to seat in and bevel the mouth of the case for seating the bullet. In fact I use one in my Dillon 1050 set up for .223. I took the rifle decapping pin out of the sizing die and put in a straight pistol decapping rod. The Old style short Lyman "M" die goes in the third station after the power drop and since it is shorter it doesn't go down into the powder. I can seat the bullet in the slight step left by the "M" die. The seating die smooths out the expanded step. There is no lost of accuracy as my varimet rifles all shot less than 1/2" AT 100 YDS. Plus there is the added plus since the expanded is not pulling out of the sized case and the cases don't stretch as much and a lot less trimming is needed. I do this as I can do 1000 plus rounds an hour on the Dillon 1050 and I don't get my bad left hand fingers in the way when seating the bullet.

Do you lube the inside of your case neck for using the M-die?
Tommy

[MIKE33]

There are only two sizes Lyman M dies Long and short body The expander plugs are the only difference The Short body dies work for 7.62x39Mm 308 30-30 Win You can order expander plugs directly from Lyman for a small price Beats buying seperate M-die for each caliber

[MK111]

There are only two sizes Lyman M dies Long and short body The expander plugs are the only difference The Short body dies work for 7.62x39Mm 308 30-30 Win You can order expander plugs directly from Lyman for a small price Beats buying seperate M-die for each caliber

I use the old style "M" for the 310 hand die. You have to use a Lyman thread adapter. The old style expander plugs are much shorter.

M1Tommy-no I do not lube inside the case neck before sizing as I have powder in the case and ready for seating the bullets.

[Jerome Cooper]

The Lee version/tool is very economical and works well for expanding or flaring the mouth of the case. It does not go very far down into the neck of a bottlenecked case or a straight case. Some handloaders have achieved the same effect by using a set of closed needlenose pliers or a tapered punch or a tapered nailset. The Lyman "M" die is a somewhat different arrangement. It is a straight cylinder plug with a slight bevel at the bottom to aid entry into the case mouth. At the upper end of the shank/plug there is a slightly larger in diameter-step. The cylinder/plug expands the entire length of the neck of a bottleneck case unless you adjust it to do less. It will also expand the upper part of a straight case the same way. If you have it adjusted to go to its maximum length then the little step enters the case mouth and flares it a bit larger to prevent lead shaving and to ease bullet entry into the case mouth. It is a very effective aid to proper loading of cast bullets. The "plug" or short section/cylinder with the step is unscrewable or detachable from the main cylinder that is within the die itself. So the parts are interchangeable. As already pointed out most of the dies vary in the length of the body being either long or short. In a couple of early editions of "The ABC's of Reloading", Dean Grennell, gun writer extraordinaire, devoted a chapter complete with photos and clear instructions to making plugs with steps of different diameters to fit various calibers,,,that fitted the bottom end of the center portions of the Lyman M dies. Its not rocket science and having a lathe, a drill press or a machinist friend really helps. Grennell also made many of his plugs come to a conical point in order to eliminate entirely the possibility of the mouth of the case catching on the bottom of the plug. Its worth checking out if you are a user of M dies. Good shooting. JC

[M1Tommy]

............... In a couple of early editions of "The ABC's of Reloading", Dean Grennell, gun writer extraordinaire, devoted a chapter complete with photos and clear instructions to making plugs with steps of different diameters to fit various calibers,,,that fitted the bottom end of the center portions of the Lyman M dies. Its not rocket science and having a lathe, a drill press or a machinist friend really helps. Grennell also made many of his plugs come to a conical point in order to eliminate entirely the possibility of the mouth of the case catching on the bottom of the plug. Its worth checking out if you are a user of M dies. Good shooting. JC

Oh great now I have to buy a lathe!

I have 3 M-dies on order from Graf & Sons, one each for .45 ACP, .38Spl/.357 Mag. and for 30-06.

Thanks!
Tommy