No4 Mk1 Sniper rifle.

[AndyGC123]

Hi Guy's

I have just purchsed this rifle, on the link bellow.

FirearmSales - Product InfoEnfield No4 Mk1 Sniper Rifle - Create - Scope tin - All matching

The scope and rifle serials are correct, but there is another number on the side of the scope mount that as far as I can tell does not match anything, that seems unusual to me, any idea's why that would be? I was under the impression english snipers didn't serial the mounts on No4's.

Also on the box were 2 official looking stickers, either end acting like a seal? they were marked Dept of consumer affairs.

Any idea's why those would be there? DOD seals I could understand, but what were the Department of Consumer affairs doing with a .303 sniper in the 50's ?

Andy

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[Enfield trader]

The number on the mount is a rifles serial number and it appears you mount does not match the rifle. The mounts were numbered to the rifle as they were setup for that specific rifle. Others will have better info for you.

Also the scope is different then the No32's you normally see and the markings are different, not clear in the pics. The elevation and windage block is different as is the adjustment knobs. It does not appear to be a No32 scope made by the British but is from another country, I just can't remember off the top of my head.


Maybe Mr.Laidler with reply to your post and he will have the info.

[Badger]

Hi ...

I believe the number on the bracket is usually the rifle number, like this.

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I don't see any markings on the scope itself. Are there any?


Also, is the scope serial number stamped into the wood on the top wrist of the rifle butt, like this?

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Check the England - Milsurp Knowledge Library for the representative example we have there, of an "all correct" 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1(T) Sniper Rifle (Mfg by BSA Shirley - M47c), complete with a 130 picture photo montage of most of the markings and components you should see on yours.

I added pics from the vendor's advertisement here, to make it easier for everyone to scan through and view ...

Hope this helps ...

Regards,

[Lee Enfield]

Hi Guy's

I have just purchsed this rifle, on the link bellow.

FirearmSales - Product InfoEnfield No4 Mk1 Sniper Rifle - Create - Scope tin - All matching

The scope and rifle serials are correct, but there is another number on the side of the scope mount that as far as I can tell does not match anything, that seems unusual to me, any idea's why that would be? I was under the impression english snipers didn't serial the mounts on No4's.

Also on the box were 2 official looking stickers, either end acting like a seal? they were marked Dept of consumer affairs.

Any idea's why those would be there? DOD seals I could understand, but what were the Department of Consumer affairs doing with a .303 sniper in the 50's ?

Andy

British rifle, British scope mount, British transit box, Isreali manufactured scope, Scope tin??

[Enfield trader]

Yes Isreali scope , I knew that just could not remember it at the time. Scope tin maybe Isreali also, I have not seen a scope tin like that before.

[AndyGC123]

[QUOTE=Badger;81283]Hi ...

I don't see any markings on the scope itself. Are there any?
Also, is the scope serial number stamped into the wood on the top wrist of the rifle butt, like this?



Yes the scope has some markings, not much,just what you can make out in the picture of the scope, they are very faint.

Serial 519 on the scope & on shoulder of butt stock.

Andy

[AndyGC123]

these are the pictures of the consumer affairs stickers I was talking about & the serial on the shoulder of the butt.

Andy

[Warren]

The scope is an Israeli scope and it is one of the early ones made from a British 32. The Israelis also made their own 32 scope but it is much different in looks and internals. At a quick glance it does look similar. The second model is most ingenious and one of the most simplified scopes I've played with. Made for easy production with less than a skilled work force and able to be manufactured with minimal precision equipment. Pop the wood and see if any Israeli markings on the rifle barrel.
Any chance of some close ups of the scope. The right hand writing on the scope just says "Telescope" in Hebrew

[MJ1]

Very interesting. Never say never about Enfields. Could the lad have scored an IDF rifle or a collection of just interesting equipments? How many IDF scopes are on the market?

Good post and good replies.

....Pura Vida....

[AndyGC123]

Pop the wood and see if any Israeli markings on the rifle barrel.
Any chance of some close ups of the scope. The right hand writing on the scope just says "Telescope" in Hebrew

Hello,
I cant see any Israeli markings on the barrel, there is some strange markingings on the top of the reciever. (pictured)

There are not any more markings on the scope than what has already been pictured, if you let me know your email address I can send a higher resolution photo if that's useful.? Have taken closeups of top/left/right of scope

The Hebrew thing would explain the weird wrighting on the note inside the scope tin !

Thanks

Andy