I have to aggree with Devil Dog on this one. The three Win 52's, the three Rem 40X's, and H&R 12 are not shotout. I haven't seen a Kimber yet that can out shoot anything. That is the reason the the Goverment is selling them all New In the Box because they never measured up to a true target rifle. The Kimber was to replace the aged Win 52's and rem 40X's but they couldn't. My idea on the subject.