im for including it ,

while the P13 , P14 , M17 are in fact a mauser departure from the enfield on the comonwealth side but id have no problem discussing all three in the enfield forum as well ,

its still a fact that the P14 & M17 were in fact produced in three dedicated locations , a great and highly successfull experiment in utilizing commercial contractors to produce military rifles ,

one was a modification of the other upon conclusion of its contract , one cannot really be discussed at length without the other getting mentioned ,

as to the P13 - no problem including them with me even though it was only experimentaly produced at vickers and so few were made that they are a true holly grail item to those of us that collect these