1911 & M1 Carbine: Going strong?

[imarangemaster]

Despite popular MYTHS, the 30 carbine round IS far better than the 45 ACP. I have shot through both sides of a GI issue PAGST kevlar helmet with the carbine, when 45 and 9 mm did not even go through one side. Others here have replicated the "Chinese thick clothing not going through" argument and proved it false, and I have personally killed a 175+ lb deer at over 75 yards with one with one shot. The 45 ACP would not have done that. Most of the bad rap comes from the M2 in Korea and poor fire discipline. If you don't hit the target, you won't stop it. Bugsy Moran is dead from being shot with a carbine, and the several WW2 GIs I talked to who used it correctly loved it.

I am not saying it should be a main battle rifle, but it does excel at what it was designed for: PDW under 150 yards.

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[INLAND44]

Despite popular MYTHS, the 30 carbine round IS far better than the 45 ACP. I have shot through both sides of a GI issue PAGST kevlar helmet with the carbine, when 45 and 9 mm did not even go through one side. Others here have replicated the "Chinese thick clothing not going through" argument and proved it false, and I have personally killed a 175+ lb deer at over 75 yards with one with one shot. The 45 ACP would not have done that. Most of the bad rap comes from the M2 in Korea and poor fire discipline. If you don't hit the target, you won't stop it. Bugsy Moran is dead from being shot with a carbine, and the several WW2 GIs I talked to who used it correctly loved it.

I am not saying it should be a main battle rifle, but it does excel at what it was designed for: PDW under 150 yards.

Exactly so. Energy is nearly 3X that of the .45. Use a softpoint or hollow point and you have an incredible PDW round.